50k Budget

Hey, first time producer here in need of some advise! For those of you who have made a feature film can you realistically make a movie for 50k (including preproduction, production, and post)????

I'm wanting to keep the budget low as possible since this will be my first time producing, I'm not interested in writing(I tried this and I suck) or directing just strictly being the head person in charge/money man. I'm also using my OWN money so that's another reason I want to keep the budget low, no time for trying to beg and borrow money to shoot a movie.

I live in Atlanta, GA so I have access to a lot of talented up and coming actors, camera rental houses, and post houses.

I was thinking about doing a 2 camera shoot to make sure I have enough coverage for editing being that I heard its best to use 2 cameras for non-professional/up and coming actors.

I heard that The Signal (Magnolia Pictures) was shot on a 50k budget(including post) and also shot in Atlanta, but, I wanted to know can this be done using 2 Red Epics with all that data at 5k??? Any tips/advise would be appreciated
 
Hey, first time producer here in need of some advise! For those of you who have made a feature film can you realistically make a movie for 50k (including preproduction, production, and post)?
Yes.



I was thinking about doing a 2 camera shoot to make sure I have enough coverage for editing being that I heard its best to use 2 cameras for non-professional/up and coming actors.
This is often more difficult than shooting with one camera. My advice
is to choose a DP you trust and do not force this idea on them. Allow
your DP and the director to make this decision. You will be surprised how
quickly actors adapt to a one camera shoot.

Any tips/advise would be appreciated
Keep your cast small. Keep your crew is small but make sure you have
enough. One issue may producers with a small budget do is triple up on
crew to save money. This overworks people who are being underpaid and
creates more problems than it solves. And with a 50k budget you will be
underpaying your crew. You can still pay fair, but it will be very low. Do
not use two camera (especially the RED) because you need two camera
crews. Find a script that has few locations. Doesn't matter if you can get
10 locations for free, moving your crew takes time and time movie is time
not shooting. On a typical 18 day shoot (doable with 50k) you do not want
half a day spent packing equipment, transporting everything and setting
up everything - five or six times.
 
Christopher Nolan's first feature, Following, was made for around $6,000 USD and is a fantastic film that launched him on a very successful career. Since I am incredibly inexperienced I can hardly offer any practical advice, but I thought that knowledge might inspire/motivate you...
 
I have to put in my obligatory GET THE SOUND RIGHT!!!!!!!

Your film will only look as good as it sounds because
"Sound is half of the experience."

Every dollar minute you spend on production sound will save you ten in audio post. How? By avoiding extensive dialog clean-up/editing and negating the need for ADR, which, with inexperienced talent, is a huge PITA and the performances are usually far less satisfying than the original performances.

Preproduce to death. The smaller your budget the more detailed your preproduction needs to be. If you do it right 90% of the production problems do not happen.

Choose your cast and crew carefully.

Treat your cast and crew like the stars they aspire to be and they will work hard for you.
 
Christopher Nolan's first feature, Following, was made for around $6,000 USD and is a fantastic film that launched him on a very successful career. Since I am incredibly inexperienced I can hardly offer any practical advice, but I thought that knowledge might inspire/motivate you...
I didn't know that....now he's on the big screen directing Dark Night Rises!....that's pure ambition with a little luck:yes:
 
I have to put in my obligatory GET THE SOUND RIGHT!!!!!!!

Your film will only look as good as it sounds because
"Sound is half of the experience."

Every dollar minute you spend on production sound will save you ten in audio post. How? By avoiding extensive dialog clean-up/editing and negating the need for ADR, which, with inexperienced talent, is a huge PITA and the performances are usually far less satisfying than the original performances.

Preproduce to death. The smaller your budget the more detailed your preproduction needs to be. If you do it right 90% of the production problems do not happen.

Choose your cast and crew carefully.

Treat your cast and crew like the stars they aspire to be and they will work hard for you.
Even though I haven't produced anything YET, I couldn't agree more....I've seen a lot of indie movies that had terrible sound and I just couldn't bare watching because what's the point if you can barely hear anything!?
 
The very best thing a producer can do is put together a
great team of specialists. They don't have to have years
of experience - they need to have the passion and the
understanding of their, specific, skill.

That's why I said to not triple up on crew duties. Don't
hire one person to move lights, set props and then grab
the boom pole. I did that when I was starting and my films
suffered. I saved some money with fewer people on set, but
when I got into post I was screwed.

The three most experienced people on your set should be the
first AD, the scripty and the boom op. Usually the most over
looked people.
 
The very best thing a producer can do is put together a
great team of specialists. They don't have to have years
of experience - they need to have the passion and the
understanding of their, specific, skill.

That's why I said to not triple up on crew duties. Don't
hire one person to move lights, set props and then grab
the boom pole. I did that when I was starting and my films
suffered. I saved some money with fewer people on set, but
when I got into post I was screwed.

The three most experienced people on your set should be the
first AD, the scripty and the boom op. Usually the most over
looked people.

After the script is secured would you suggest hiring the director 1st to help bring other key people on board...usually directors know these people and their capabilities.

Also, how would you go about finding good scripts with a good story that can be shot on a 50k budget...would the WGA be of any help?.....plenty of up and coming actors in Atlanta but not that many screen writers...most productions shot here are big studio productions with talent flown in from LA to take advantage of Georgia's 30% entertainment tax credit.

Where would I look for a good script, like I said before I suck at writing so that's definitely OUT!
 
A script by a WGA member will cost more than you can
afford. The Guild is not a "hiring hall" - finding work for
its members - they set standards of payment and working
conditions for writers.

finding a script that is good for you will take a long time.
You can find writers with finished scripts all over the web.
There are several sites like this one where you can post a
request; there are sites like Zoetrope and TriggerStreet
where writers post their scripts for peer review; there is
InkTip where for a fee you can advertise for finished scripts.
Then there are sites (again like this one) where you can
network and perhaps find a writer willing to write a script
to your specifications.

But you are going to have to sit down ad real a lot of scripts.
I have been a professional reader for agents and studios - there
is a LOT of crap out there and each writer truly, honestly,
passionately believes they have written a masterpiece and it's
you, the producer, who just doesn't get it.

I do not envy you in this quest.
 
A script by a WGA member will cost more than you can
afford. The Guild is not a "hiring hall" - finding work for
its members - they set standards of payment and working
conditions for writers.

finding a script that is good for you will take a long time.
You can find writers with finished scripts all over the web.
There are several sites like this one where you can post a
request; there are sites like Zoetrope and TriggerStreet
where writers post their scripts for peer review; there is
InkTip where for a fee you can advertise for finished scripts.
Then there are sites (again like this one) where you can
network and perhaps find a writer willing to write a script
to your specifications.

But you are going to have to sit down ad real a lot of scripts.
I have been a professional reader for agents and studios - there
is a LOT of crap out there and each writer truly, honestly,
passionately believes they have written a masterpiece and it's
you, the producer, who just doesn't get it.

I do not envy you in this quest.
That's what I was afraid of....I know how most inspiring writers feel about their work but you are spot on most of'em I read so far wasn't even worth my time and some I didn't even finish they were so bad...Don't know why most people can't be like me and just admit that they suck at something and try to find their true talent..

I'm in real estate/construction so I'm used to coordinating and scheduling....I wanted to be a filmmaker(writer/director) since high school but my parents squashed that quick...I'm soon to be 34 and doing pretty good so I figured why not, I never gave up on the dream.

I thought that the WGA had something on their website that producers can post for scripts...much like SAG Indie have on their's for casting calls....I don't want to use WGA members cause like you say I can't afford it plus I'm not willing to shove out that kind of cash even if I could on my 1st movie...but I know some non members go there to copyright their script....but I'll check those other sites you mention too.....thanks a lot!!!
 
It's common misconception that the WGA matches writers with
producers - like a union hiring hall. But there are other places a
producer can post for script. I can tell you from experience that
writers who are WGA members are not better than non members.

Also the WGA does not offer copyright services so no one goes
there to copyright a script. All copyright registration is done through
copyright.gov - a branch of the government.
 
Ok....didn't know that....I thought I saw a link or something about copyrighting your script....could have just been a link to copyright.gov

You just put me through a 10 min film school....thanks a lot!!! :)
 
In the search for your script you should immediately eliminate "epics", period pieces, anything that requires numerous sets, a large cast and lots of special effects - those are things that drain your budget in a very large hurry.

Continue the winnowing process from a personal level. Do you want to do a drama, a comedy, a RomCom... Once you've loosely decided on a genre you can consider your call for scripts.

Once you've got the basics - a script and a director - you may want to look for other investors. Since you're in the real estate/construction industry you probably know quite a few people with some expendable income they may want to invest, or perhaps they may want to contribute locations, props, food services, etc.; people just love being involved with "The Movies" - as long as it's not going to inconvenience them too much! :D

Another thing to consider is working in conjunction with a local college/university film school. If you have retained qualified key personnel you may be able to get students to work as crew; they will have a decent amount of "book larnin'" and should like to gain some practical experience.

Oh, you may want to consider a co-producer with the practical experience you do not have. It's much too easy to FUBAR, so some experienced guidance is critical.

Your job as the producer is to attract the best talent (both in front of and behind the camera) you can, keep those folks happy and motivated, to maximize the potential of your funds, and, once production begins, to work quickly (but not hastily) to keep the excitement level up. All that is accomplished by thorough preproduction. You're a general leading your troops into battle; if your intelligence, battle plan and logistics aren't completely thought through you're going to lose.
 
My 2 cents.

From past experience.

Not going to talk about finding the script, Camera, genre, social media, marketing, making your $ back lol etc,

Note - You as the the producer are responsible for the money. You answer only to yourself. If it's the director's money and you answer to him, that's another kettle of fish.

1) You are in charge.
2) Don't micro manage, if you hired someone (who is good), then let them do their job
3) Ego = watch out for it.
4) As a producer I have no interest standing around on set if I don't need to be there. I don't need to be the centre of attention.
5) Since I'm not on set, my representatives are. The 1st AD and maybe the Production Manger if they are around.
6) The director will think that they are god on set, they are not. The 1st AD is.
7) The 1st AD needs to know what they are doing i.e. scheduling and has to be able to communicate with the crew to get them to do what needs to be done on time and on budget (this includes the director!). Get someone who knows what they are doing! this is very important.
8) The director well before you start rolling on day 1 , should have storyboards, or at the very least a shot list... if not the 1st AD is not doing their job... and or the director thinks that they are a genius and doesn't need one... that's cool.. but it's not their money, it's your. If you are not happy, fix it. This goes for any aspect of the film. Plus nothing burns $'s/time when you have the director and department heads standing around debating about where the camera should go, lights, etc, etc, this needs to be done before.
9) Pre Production is very important, once you start filming, unless you have like 50 people standing around in the production office, you won't have time to change/chase up major things... make sure everything is sorted before you start filming.
10) Sound is more important than vision!!!
11) On our last shoot, we had experienced heads of departments, their underlings were students, or students who has just graduated, or people who might have done a few smaller things and wanted to do a feature.
12) One of our HOD was a teacher (film), and since it was school holidays, managed to bring along some of their students along. free labour in exchange for on set experience and credit
12) You need a PM who is a whiz at getting things done... make up person got sick, they would be ringing people up to find a replacement at 6am, even if they only got 2 hours sleeps.. nothing was too big of an ask..
14) Runners are very important. Who else is going to run back to the office to get a forgotten prop, or pick up the lunches, or pick up a cast member, whose car has broken down.. We had 2, would have liked another... as it was I ended up doing some running as there was noone else and i wasn't doing anything
15) Do you offer deferred payment and or points and or cash up front say $50 or $100 per day and that's it? Pro's and Cons for each.
16) After a day or 2 being a running for no money suxs.. what can you do to make them stay... not really your job, that's the PM/1st AD's problem really, but if they leave, then it becomes yours.. so maybe some token amount of $ or something to keep them happy. A DOP may do something for a credit or for something to add to the show reel... what does a PA get out of it for 3 or 4 weeks?
17) Try and get PA's with cars... that work... pay them gas money, keeps them happy
18) Food, budget.. this one is always a nasty surprise... if you got people working for free atleast feed them well. there will be a Vegan....
19) night shoots suck!!!!
18) makes sure all your legals are in place. contracts. clearances, workers comp, public liability, etc.
19) Think about what your contracts need to say.. what if you need do to reshoots.... can you get the actors back, or will they say, only if you give me some money... make sure that your contracts have everything mapped out. Also what about BTS footage, PR, things like that...
20) Petty cash
21) Parking
22) Deliverables!!!! - What needs to be sent to a buyer, find out now and make sure that you can fulfill what will be need. "What do you mean I need 50-100 high res stills? Won't the ones of the DOP eating lunch do? I shot it on my Iphone :)"
23) Who has Final cut?
24) Get HOD, plus PM and 1st AD to suss out the locations, so there will be no nasty surprise (spend a day driving around and go as a group.. plus it's a nice bonding experience.
25) toilets
26) Coffee... get people drinking instant... you can't afford starbucks
27) After the martini shot, things will go walkabout... lock that shite down.. camera tape went walkabout and almost "lost" a $300 piece of camera gear, that was 'left' in someones bag......
28) it's okay if by the end of the shoot everyone hate you, the 1st AD, the director, each other... deal with it.. it happens, try to not let it though, but if it does, stay positive.
29) learn to say no. also don't be one set, hard to ask for things if they can't find you.
30) the 1st AD or PM along with the director will breakdown the script and schedule/budget it. From this point you will see how many days are needed, how much money and what you can/can't afford... don't go hiring people before this, otherwise you might promise money you don't have.
31) actors and crew will start calling about 1 month after wrapping to get footage for showreels, how will you handle this.
32) did I mention sound?
33) This will be a low budget film. Get crew who know what this means!!!... we have a HOD say to us that they needed 6 people... errr, no you get 3. They were used to working on bigger productions where you ask for something and it appears... not in this end of the business I'm afraid.
34) 1st AD should know this, but how many makeup- hair people will you need. You can't make up a cast of 10 with one person. well you can if you want to wait for 6 hours.
35) can you try - make up schools/hair schools/catering schools students for free/cheap labour for credit and references.
36) If you don't know something, ask. I spent an afternoon with the sound designer going over what things you can and can't do in post. Some of the stuff that they can do is amazing.
37) How much data storage will you need? how many back up of the camera files? How long will it take to dump each card. Don't want to hold up production waiting for a card to copy.
38) What editing system are you using? In the end of the day it's a tool. If FCP is better for you, use it, if Premiere Pro is better for you, use it.
39) If you can have an assistant editor on set/office getting all the raw files/sound files ready to go. If you can have an editor working away at the same time even better.
40) Good luck!

I'm sure there are a million more things that I have forgotten. :)
 
+1 on all those points.

In terms of deferred payment vs $, I personally would rather some kind of payment - cover my expendables, and a nominal day rate and I'll be happy (when I'm working as an AC). I've done too many 'deferred payment' gigs (ie more than one) and whilst some are great and some are terrible, at the end of the day you end up losing money. When I have to supply my own expendables, and pay for parking and pay for fuel.. It all adds up. If the project's good, and I'm really pumped about it, I don't mind doing it for 'free' (on deferred payment), but it's completely unfeasible to be losing money out of your own pocket on a production, with no possibility of any compensation.

Also, if I had to pick, I'd go nominal day rate + expenses over 'deferred payment' any day. I read an article about Sundance recently, and whilst I can't remember the exact numbers, it was something like 5,000 movies apply each year, of those ~200 get selected for screening, of those ~10 get picked up for some kind of distribution, and of those ~1-2 make their money back.
99 times out of 100, deferred payment is a Director or Producer's way of feeling better about themselves when they're making their crew work for free ;).

I also cannot stress number 8 enough. But, if you want my stories, check out my thread here:
http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=40992
 
10) Sound is more important than vision!!!

32) did I mention sound?

36) If you don't know something, ask. I spent an afternoon with the sound designer going over what things you can and can't do in (audio) post. Some of the stuff that they can do is amazing.

Just remember, we're geniuses, not miracle workers. Yes, I can probably fix it, but the more problems there are with production sound the more time/money it's going to cost, and it can add up very quickly.

Every dollar minute you spend on production sound will save you ten in audio post. How? By avoiding extensive dialog clean-up/editing and negating the need for ADR, which, with inexperienced talent, is a huge PITA and the performances are usually far less satisfying than the original performances.


Remember B-roll. It can be very important to the sound design.
 
I heard that The Signal (Magnolia Pictures) was shot on a 50k budget(including post) and also shot in Atlanta ...

When you see very low budgets like this for 35mm theatrically released feature film (like "The Signal"), it's pretty much guaranteed to be a lie, a marketing gimmick. Usually they've omitted much of the costs of post production. There are a few famous examples of feature films supposedly made with budgets of less than $50k but in reality the cost was several hundred thousand.

Having said this, it is possible to make a feature with a budget of $50k but it's dependent on how it's to be distributed and whether or not you're looking to make a profit.

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