Really?! I kinda thought it the exact opposite was true.
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Really?! I kinda thought it the exact opposite was true.
Just attend some meetings with filmmakers, artists, and writers.
Why do you assume I don't know any artists?
Young man, I swear, I will turn this car around, right now!
Yea, but I am realistic about my movies. My most recent one was done for a 48 hour film festival and got amazing reaction. They laughed and loved it. We had plenty of people come up to us and tell us they want to see more of our stuff. If I put it up and you said "well it looks low budget." "The actors suck" "The camera in this scene was off or shaky" then I'd say you know your right thanks for the criticism.
The last thing I would do is say, well when you get a budget come talk to me... or something about your movies to get a rise. I was simply stating that from a perspective of someone who has done perhaps 70 short films with $0.
I never once attacked your movie, was only trying to say that from your 4 minute preview what I saw looked super corny. The fight scenes did not look choreographed and the scene thats from the perspective of the robot looked comical. Corny isn't always a bad thing lol. I've done spoofs of spoofs and made them as corny as can be.
Anyways I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I hope when I put up some more of my work you will come join the thread and tell me exactly what you think of it.
How so?
Are you a professional or aren't you?
Do you want to be taken seriously or not?
Sound is half of the experience when going to a theater. The greatest directors still say that to this day...
The fact that you let a mixer hack up your dialogue and mix FX as if by a 3 year-old pushing the faders up and down makes me wonder how you spent 20 thousand dollars on this feature and not care enough for people to understand your actors in vinyl halloween costumes...
I offered some advice but you getting all defensive really makes me back off from helping you at all.
I'd like to see how much money this film grosses.
But then again, you said Art is subjective... so a box office amount is also subjective... right?...
This is lame. I'm going to go find someone I can help with audio and appreciates what I have to say.
Your rebuttals and defensive comments of your "film" is really unprofessional. Makes me wonder why you posted your film here in the first place. Promotion? Guess you don't have anymore money for that now and have resorted to forums.
But, still, it's art. And, everyone will have a different POV. I like TV editors over big budget big screen production editors because they edit with more style.
Yea, but I am realistic about my movies. My most recent one was done for a 48 hour film festival and got amazing reaction. They laughed and loved it. We had plenty of people come up to us and tell us they want to see more of our stuff. If I put it up and you said "well it looks low budget." "The actors suck" "The camera in this scene was off or shaky" then I'd say you know your right thanks for the criticism.
The last thing I would do is say, well when you get a budget come talk to me... or something about your movies to get a rise. I was simply stating that from a perspective of someone who has done perhaps 70 short films with $0.
I never once attacked your movie, was only trying to say that from your 4 minute preview what I saw looked super corny. The fight scenes did not look choreographed and the scene thats from the perspective of the robot looked comical. Corny isn't always a bad thing lol. I've done spoofs of spoofs and made them as corny as can be.
Anyways I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I hope when I put up some more of my work you will come join the thread and tell me exactly what you think of it.
The reaction people got from the 4 minute preview was they didn't like the action. When the same people saw the feature where the action wasn't chopped up, they liked the way it was edited and the sound effects that were used with them.
SFX aren't purchased. They're created by skilled and creative people. Yeah, the best people require a hefty paycheck, but every now and then, some crafty individual finds a way to create something terrific with nary a budget.
Ask Neill Blomkamp. He's doing alright for himself. Started making sci-fi shorts without a lot of money thrown into them. Same is true of Jimmy Cameron, king-of-the-world, himself.
Ask Neill Blomkamp. He's doing alright for himself. Started making sci-fi shorts without a lot of money thrown into them. Same is true of Jimmy Cameron, king-of-the-world, himself.
I, Creator has some crafty effects in the movie. Some is also very clever use of stock footage greenscreened into the live action.
But you said you're "fixing" all of this in the mix. Who is mixing this for you and how much are you paying him?
Okay that is something you need to change in your next feature.
Get a competent sound man to record your dialogue for you. It pays off in the end, let me assure you.
The sound men on Hurt Locker were 100% responsible for that film winning the Oscar for Best Picture solely because they were able to keep all of the actor's original performances from Jordan which proved to be utterly impossible in the ADR stage. If the sound men did not do their job correctly (hence, your film) that film would have been ADRed in it's entirety resulting in just another summer action flick.
Okay that is something you need to change in your next feature.
Get a competent sound man to record your dialogue for you. It pays off in the end, let me assure you.
The sound men on Hurt Locker were 100% responsible for that film winning the Oscar for Best Picture solely because they were able to keep all of the actor's original performances from Jordan which proved to be utterly impossible in the ADR stage. If the sound men did not do their job correctly (hence, your film) that film would have been ADRed in it's entirety resulting in just another summer action flick.
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I do believe I mentioned getting a dedicated sound person and a better DP if we get the sequel off the ground. That is in addition to a zoom recorder and a topnotch cable shotgun mic. Here is one model that I'm considering: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/406096-REG/Sanken_CS_3E_CS_3E_Short_Shotgun_Microphone.html
That's another reason why the budget must go up.
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Okay. Good start.
I highly recommend the Schoeps CMIT 5U over the Sanken. Here's a link:
http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/categories/cmit
I have used this mic on multiple occasions to match ADR and is by far the best I have ever heard on location.
You still haven't answered my original question:
How much money are you paying whoever you are paying to "fix" your audio for you?
I highly recommend the Schoeps CMIT 5U over the Sanken. Here's a link:
http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/categories/cmit
I have used this mic on multiple occasions to match ADR and is by far the best I have ever heard on location.
You still haven't answered my original question:
How much money are you paying whoever you are paying to "fix" your audio for you?
I'm mixing it myself. And, the feedback is there is a big improvement with the new mix from the original.
As I said in the beginning, I'm lowering the music and sound FX volume and increasing the volume of the dialogue and converting it to mono.
I'm also repairing dialogue with Sound Forge and Sound Soap.
It's only 2,000 new and I'm sure you can find it used for cheaper. This is compared to your 1,500 Sanken.
It's a huge step up from the Sanken.
Research it. It's a beautiful mic. It also weighs about the same as a highlighter pen so your boom op can easily maneuver and won't get tired using it.
Okay. First mixing lesson:
Dialogue is king.
You get this level set before anything else.
This is what the pro mixers do. They premix the dialogue to get that set and in the pocket and then bring in the effects balanced against the dialogue so you can still understand the words and let the effects support the dialogue. Of course there is "fun time" to let the effects really blare. Also, I think you should back off on whatever noise reduction you have on the voices. They sound way too dull and sucked out. Most people don't notice the hiss you're trying to get rid of, as well.
It's a huge step up from the Sanken.
Research it. It's a beautiful mic. It also weighs about the same as a highlighter pen so your boom op can easily maneuver and won't get tired using it.
Okay. First mixing lesson:
Dialogue is king.
You get this level set before anything else.
This is what the pro mixers do. They premix the dialogue to get that set and in the pocket and then bring in the effects balanced against the dialogue so you can still understand the words and let the effects support the dialogue. Of course there is "fun time" to let the effects really blare. Also, I think you should back off on whatever noise reduction you have on the voices. They sound way too dull and sucked out. Most people don't notice the hiss you're trying to get rid of, as well.