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Old 09-06-2016, 04:12 PM   #16
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Here's the problematic thing again with the twist ending (that amateurs love). It's not a good idea. Note how the winner has a twist one minute in and a solid punch at the end. That's a better strategy.
The one-joke film. You "knock knock" "who's there" your way to a punchline... in this case I feel it works, I had no idea where it was going. The problem is usually the twist is cliche, cheesy, or predicable, and the joke is drawn out too long.

This was all done in 48 hours. Solid!
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Intriguing. The winning film feels a tiny bit more solid and has a dog (always a winner), and watching their team, they feel very experienced. But I still like your more in that sens that where your film works, it's ahead of the winner. Yours is more composed. Loving the moment when both girls lean their chin into their hands. But not optimally written. Here's the problematic thing again with the twist ending (that amateurs love). It's not a good idea. Note how the winner has a twist one minute in and a solid punch at the end. That's a better strategy.
There is one thought here that I don't agree with: namely that a twist ending is purely an amateur thing.
A lot of great movies have twist endings.
And most shorts without twist endings often make no real impression or just suddenly end.

About having 2 twists:
Spoiler: You could also say that our first twist is around 1 minute were the job interview turns out to be something else

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Old 09-06-2016, 05:16 PM   #18
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The one flaw and amateur films fell short of that is the actor (first one) looked into the camera. That should havr been edited out. Honestly, that's the only difference maker i can find.
Very observant.
We had to make hard choices: this was the best take for that part.
Cutting his eyes out was no option (no time for AE), cutting that part from the take was no option either.

Every take we shot the complete scene to give the actors space to grow into their role and to make sure we got enough footage while they are in the flow of the scene.
In hindsight there are more things that could have been better, but we squeezed every second of usable daylight out of the day to get enough footage to properly edit it.

It was a crazy rollercoaster: great fun while racing against the clock.
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Old 09-06-2016, 05:29 PM   #19
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Very observant.
We had to make hard choices: this was the best take for that part.
Cutting his eyes out was no option (no time for AE), cutting that part from the take was no option either.

Every take we shot the complete scene to give the actors space to grow into their role and to make sure we got enough footage while they are in the flow of the scene.
In hindsight there are more things that could have been better, but we squeezed every second of usable daylight out of the day to get enough footage to properly edit it.

It was a crazy rollercoaster: great fun while racing against the clock.
Its cool and i meant my amateur films. Im just saying the judging my came down to something as petty as that.
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:47 PM   #20
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What camera was used to film that short?
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We shot it on FS5 using SLog3.
One of the producers (and 1 of my friends) has a FS5, so that made the choice easy.
On the MoVI shots (stairs and office) we used the standard 18-105 F4 lens.
For the interviews we used several lenses ranging from 100mm macro, 16-35mm F2.8 EF and 24-70mm F4.
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Yeah, it's my personal favorite to complain about twist endings in general because I think I know better. But pretty smart of you Indietalk, the way you understood that their issue with their boss gave them motivation. That all went over my head. But it is a darn cool story element.
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This was all done in 48 hours. Solid!

Agreed. That is a very strong contender! It looked and sounded professional; the shots, the music, the acting, etc. I liked the ending. Was this mostly natural light?
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Agreed. That is a very strong contender! It looked and sounded professional; the shots, the music, the acting, etc. I liked the ending. Was this mostly natural light?
Thank you

We only used 2 LitePanel Astras.
During the interviews we bounced them on the ceiling to get some extra light in the cubicle like interview setting.

(The kinoflos were never unpacked, but in hindsight could have added a nice touch to the interviews. But we didn't put them up, because they would have been standing in the way for a cameraposition we didn't use in the end, lol.
And because we couldn't use them in the top shot, since we used the C-stands to build the contruction the make the shot from the ceiling possible.)

So yes, except for the restroom scenes it was mostly natural light and practicals boosted with the astras.

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BTW, as soon as we had all the footage, one of our runners brought a copy of the whole project to the colorist. So by the time we had a locked edit, all we had to do was email the xml fro Resolve.
When the colorist started exporting al the clips, he notified the runner, so he went there to get the disk with the graded footage.

I really think that streamlining the workflow during the planning AND keeping as much as possible in the same place (our headquarter was large enough for 30 people and 20 computer, but we had 1 iMac and 5 laptops: 1 for edit, 1 machine for audio, 1 for photoshop, 3 to communicate with the outside world if needed) is essential to maximise the time you can work on the movie instead of figuring out what to do next.
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Really great compositioning and sound. I enjoyed it. The older female actor was yummy af.
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Old 09-09-2016, 10:08 AM   #28
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I didnt get the ending until I read it on this thread, I thought that they had an interview with someone we didnt see and he was the guy they hired in the end.

overall it was solid and I liked it, there were some issues I had with actor movement from one frame to another that looked a bit weird (they move into frame from a different position than the one we see before, the camera was out of focus sometimes (first interview the camera on the two ladies).

The acting was on point, I really liked the first guy and the lady to the left, solid performances.

but overall the negatives are nitpicking from me seeking perfection, it was a good short to watch, good job.
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Old 09-09-2016, 10:27 AM   #29
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Thought that was great Walter, one of the strongest 48hr films I've ever seen. I thought the twist ending worked really well, and whilst I would probably recommend trimming it down a little bit, it kept my attention for the whole period. Really well acted too the two women were great and it was good to see you working with Joey again. Your 48hr with him was certainly better than mine! (He looks much better with shorter hair).

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The one flaw and amateur films fell short of that is the actor (first one) looked into the camera. That should havr been edited out. Honestly, that's the only difference maker i can find.
I almost never notice this as an issue, even in amateur films. On my most recent project, however, we were watching back a cut and realised that one of the actors eyes flicked straight into camera at one point. A bit of VFX wizadry fixed his eyeline and you'd never notice where the seam broke.
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Old 09-09-2016, 12:53 PM   #30
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Yo, that was dope! I really enjoyed it. You definitely pushed the boundaries of political correctness, and that is something good comedy often does. I like the cinematography, the performances are on-point, the music is great, the editing is perfect. I could go on, but suffice it to say that I think this is a wonderful entry in the 48HFP.

As far as comparing it to the contest "winner", I personally think it's absurd to try to make art a competition. Art is a creative expression, and that's it. There is no such thing as "winning". Your team won because you made a terrific film and got a good reception from the audience.
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