Canon XL - Page 2 - IndieTalk

DesperadoMan17 · 08-04-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Conner Kent

You are saying you want a good quality camera that gets the job done. Well ok then the XL would do that.. BUT a DSLR is a great quality camera that gets the job done and around the same or cheaper price range..

So you are judging a book by it's cover and too be honest holy shit ITS NOT ABOUT THE CAMERA! Google this... "the revenge of the great camera shootout 2012" They use DSLRS and compare them to film... along with many other cameras.. Now here is something else. A LOT of professional cinematographers had to decide which camera looked best and MANY chose DSLR over film.
Now I am not trying to force you or anything or even be mean but you need to open up your eyes and get your facts straight. Another example "I dont want to film with a little DSLR camera" In this "CAMERA SHOOTOUT" They use a I-PHONE for god sake and some cinematographers CHOSE THAT OVER FILM!
So if you don't want to shoot with a DSLR when people can get amazing footage out of an I-phone then something is up there. Now I don't know why you do not want to and that is not my concern. All I want to say is you do not here about professional cinematographers using XLs anymore and in fact a lot of them ADVISE DSLRs because this is a new generation for film. So again not trying to say your choice is wrong but dont belittle any camera as for the last time IT'S NOT THE CAMERA ITS YOU! Remember those words and you can go out and make that commercial! Whatever camera you get XL, DSLR or I-Phone just give it your all man.

Thanks! Its not that I dont like DSLR but I want a professional camcorder. I could always rent one for a day. I just want this commercial to look good lol

Conner Kent · 08-04-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DesperadoMan17

Thanks! Its not that I dont like DSLR but I want a professional camcorder. I could always rent one for a day. I just want this commercial to look good lol

No problem man. I wish you luck on this and hope you get the right camera that suits you!

knightly · 08-05-2012, 05:46 AM

If you're looking to do commercial work, the clients will expect a final product that looks like they're used to seeing on TV now... quite frankly, the XL line (even the H1) isn't it... the DoF differences with the little chip cameras is simply an outdated look, like VHS footage.

If you haven't shot with them, it's easy to discount the thought of shooting with a DSLR, but shoot with one, rent if you have to, then tell me what you think of the image (the only part that really matters)... if you can't get good footage with that, the XL's footage will look worse.

mussonman · 08-05-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DesperadoMan17

Yea DSLR is good, but I want something that is good quality and not that expensive. And I forget does XLs have 24 fps?

I sold my Canon Xl1 and was able to buy a T2i with money left over. I highly recommend a DSLR

that1guyy · 08-05-2012, 02:00 PM

Well he obviously doesn't want to use a DSLR. So let's stop suggesting that?

How about something like a Canon HV20/30? I hear those used to be very popular..and they shoot HD and should be pretty cheap by now!

Conner Kent · 08-05-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by that1guyy

Well he obviously doesn't want to use a DSLR. So let's stop suggesting that?

How about something like a Canon HV20/30? I hear those used to be very popular..and they shoot HD and should be pretty cheap by now!

READ the whole thread! We opened his eyes more to the possibility of using a DSLR and btw he said earlier he does nit want to shoot with a little DSLR what makes you think he'd want to shoot with something smaller? But I know I know you are just trying to help... Just saying it would be more help have all the facts first.

mussonman · 08-05-2012, 04:00 PM

Just trying to help him in both quality and money.

mussonman · 08-05-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by that1guyy

Well he obviously doesn't want to use a DSLR. So let's stop suggesting that?

How about something like a Canon HV20/30? I hear those used to be very popular..and they shoot HD and should be pretty cheap by now!

Just trying to help him in both quality and money. Earlier he said he didn't want to film on it because it's small. And he said he wanted professional quality... XL series is not the way to go.

jax_rox · 08-05-2012, 04:06 PM

I'd rather shoot with an old XL than an HV20...

DesperadoMan17 · 08-05-2012, 05:11 PM

I think once I get everything together, the day of the shoot I am going to rent a camera from

http://www.thecameradept.com/

What camera would you rent? For a 30 second superbowl commercial?

jax_rox · 08-05-2012, 05:27 PM

That really depends, largely on your budget but also on your skills/experience.

If you're inexperienced your images are going to look amateur whether shot on an Alexa, Epic, XL2, or DSLR.

DesperadoMan17 · 08-05-2012, 05:36 PM

im inexoerienced with filming with a camera. But setting up each scene I can do. My budget would be around 350. And if friends chip in then budget would increase. Should I get actors or friends? I know actors would be better but some cost. The last two years I got actors to do it for free and if we won they got paid.

jax_rox · 08-05-2012, 05:57 PM

Hm.

Firstly, always get actors. Friends aren't actors and everyone can tell. By setting up each scene do you mean the production design or the lighting..?

When you say Superbowl commercial, do you mean one of the competitions for the superbowl? If so, I'd honestly stick with a DSLR.

If not, and you're planning on buying airtime - how do you have that kind of budget to buy airtime, and not the budget to rent a camera, pay actors, hire a DP etc.

You're probably better off paying that $350 to a local DP who can come and shoot it fory ou.

DesperadoMan17 · 08-05-2012, 06:00 PM

No this is Doritos superbowl contest. The top finalist get aired at the superbowl. I mean I know a DP but he is booked. I think I could film it. I will look into UC (university of Cincinnati) theatre and see if my friend knows anyone in there. If not I will try my best to get actors.

that1guyy · 08-05-2012, 06:29 PM

Okay I read the whole thread and I change my mind. A DSLR or a small camcorder would be better.

Don't rent expensive equipment if you don't know how to use it.

Last year's Dorito's commercial had a budget of......................$20. He shot it with a consumer camera with a dog in his backyard. It goes to show you should stop caring so much about the equipment and focus on the idea/theme/story.