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I'd hate to think that anyone here lost potential revenue because of this... makes me a bit sick (even made me break my normally unflappable composure). We struggle so hard to make this endeavor pay enough to be able to do it for a living.

directorik said:

I sent a PM and got a reply. He sent a link to one of his websites. It all seems
legit to me. Now that I have seen one of his sites I cannot understand why
he did not want to post it. As he said, it is a movie community website. We
here are a movie community website. It is not a start up, it is not a new
website that hasn’t fully launched. It seems to me all this would have been
avoided had he posted it. It’s quite a vibrant community; much different than
ours in its specific interest but as interesting as ours is.

It’s too bad that two people here were so upset by his offer that they turned
it personal (even against other indietalk members) and have surely driven him
away. Caution is one thing - I am very cautious about these types of offers - but
I’m sorry that a couple of you took this so far without even learning more. It is,
unfortunately, a reflection on this movie community website and this entrepreneur
with an idea may have dismissed us because of it.

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if he would've posted his site to begin with it could've been avoided. there continues to be no reason not to post it

OP is fishing for trailers. That's what distributors do. OP wants a private conversation with the filmmaker. I don't see anything wrong with that.

mussonman said:

there continues to be no reason not to post it

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He now has every reason not to offer us anything at all... he was attacked for making a valid offer to us. If you dig through my thousands of posts here, you'll find precisely 1 where I lashed out in anger... that was in this thread. The unresearched accusations toward the OP may have cost a REAL distribution channel for anyone who ever mentions this site to him and his associates/thousands of heavy spending forum members.

I'm genuinely angry about the behaviors in this matter... I don't get angry. If he ends up considering a shorts compilation as I'd asked early on in the thread and my latest piece that we're editing gets rejected because of the welcome he's received here, I'll be downright pissed for the opportunity stolen from me.

In my eyes, the behaviors here are exceedingly counter to the reason that people come here and continue to post and ask questions and offer suggestions. I hope the working professionals who have volunteered so much time and knowledge here know that these attacks on their careers are not representative of the core community here.

I'm torn as a longtime community member who is REALLY pissed and as a Moderator who has to keep a level head and keep the rules enforced fairly here. It took every ounce of composure I had to look objectively at where the actual rules of the forum were being broken and dole out warnings based on that segment of my being (who I found hiding in a dark corner of my mind quivering in fear from the rest of my psyche). Compartmentalization was very difficult for me in this thread.

The specific problem I have with this matter is that, IN MY EYES, 3 community members (1 relented half way through the thread) allowed their personal mistrust of the OP to negatively impact others for no reason other than to prove that they were right. Potentially costing the other members here thousands of dollars of lost revenues (Return On Investment -- I've spent tens of thousands on equipment and software over the years, never made a dime yet) for a business offer that had someone else taking the risk and the cost on themselves and eliminating those traditional risks from our tables.

I'm seethingly mad and disappointed in the behaviors here... absolutely a horrible representation of what I've come to expect form indietalk.com when new folks come here with a business proposal. I've personally looked at so many of the other folks coming here as actual spammers and vetted against them... there were none of the hallmarks of falsity in this offer.

The next expected post is for someone to say something about if the OP allows this to affect them, then they weren't worth doing business with, and to this I say, they're offering to take on the cost risk and if it were me, I'd walk away from the site entirely if I'd encountered this reaction -- their time (and monies) being more usefully spent bringing product to market rather than defending the business model.

I think knightly your right, I'd like to Herforth offer my apology for anyone that may have lost business due to the arguments occurring in this thread.

While I still stand by everything I have said, I shall no longer comment on anyone who I believe is falsely Representing themselves.

Let's hope someone is still able to get a good deal from 2cents and the best to their future.

Merry christmas

After all that, no one is going to let the cat out of the bag? Who was it, warning us film makers of their tactics, a little more insight.

Dreadylocks said:

I would just like to formally protest being included on the list of offenders. I made no ad hominem attacks and fail to see how saying someone's analogy doesn't work is an insult or attack. Not only that but I put a winky face on the end of the post. A g.d. winky face forcryingoutloud. Everyone knows that if you put a smiley at the end of a sentence, it makes everything ok (again though, I still don't see what was so wrong with saying something was a bad analogy.)

I think if you look back, I was one of the people trying to help maintain a civil tone in this thread while others (who still remain un-censured, unlike myself) were calling OP a cheat, liar, troll, full of BS and a scammer. I'm all for equality being treating different things differently, but this just makes no sense to me.

Knightly, I want you to know that I've got no hard feelings against you personally. I'm sure you were just following orders and I get that.

But I needed to put this on the record. I truly don't agree that I did anything wrong. And I'm not sure I want to frequent a place where I have to walk on eggshells whenever I post.



(see, the smiley face makes everything ok)

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Didn't see anything wrong with your posts, either.

knightly said:

I hope the working professionals who have volunteered so much time and knowledge here know that these attacks on their careers are not representative of the core community here.

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Mmm, to be honest I am considering my continued involvement with indietalk and wondering if my time wouldn't be more productively used elsewhere.

It's not so much the attack on my career I'm bothered about, I'm a big boy and can handle that, it's the attitude that behaviour represents and how it undermines efforts to help those who actually want to learn or want to enter the profession. While many indietalk members have some experience making lo/no budget shorts (or even the odd feature) and often have quite a lot of knowledge of some filmmaking equipment, most appear to be either very young (relatively) and/or to have little or no professional experience of the film/TV industry. They therefore have little comprehension of what is required to build and maintain a career in the industry or even of what constitutes a professional quality product. Making films or TV content as a career professional is nothing like making a lo/no budget amateur film but with a bigger budget!! There are two basic ways of dealing with this lack of knowledge and experience:

1. To recognise and accept that your knowledge and experience is extremely limited and use this fact as inspiration to listen, learn and question those who do have the knowledge and experience.

2. To not recognise (or ignore) your lack of knowledge and experience and instead be defensive and try to make yourself look "big" by attacking or belittling the film industry, the professionals in it or any potential professional opportunity which may expose the fact that you are not as "big" as you are trying to make out.

I'm not trying to be insulting here, the film/TV industry covers numerous complex specialist areas of endeavour, many of which take over a decade to become professionally proficient and everyone (certainly myself included) has areas of the industry where we're lacking knowledge and/or experience. The problem with those who fall into category #2 is not that they are unwittingly damaging their own chances of ever entering the profession, that's their problem, it's the fact that their selfish behaviour is ruining it for everyone else!

I'm not saying that everyone should blindly accept whatever I say because I'm a career professional but when I post a message on indietalk I expect people who read it to consider it carefully, hopefully learn something from it or to at least to show enough respect to politely question what might appear to be wrong. It could be that I am wrong or that you have a justifiable reason for disagreeing with it but it's just a likely that it only appears to be wrong because there are additional industry factors or requirements you don't know about. What I don't expect is to have the thread and my contribution to it sabotaged purely on the basis that someone feels threatened by the fact that they don't know enough to understand or appreciate what I've said or why I've said it, when all I was trying to do was help!

Take a look at this thread! Georgia Hilton is not only an extremely experienced professional, she's an internationally acclaimed professional! When Georgia speaks even other highly successful film professionals respect and listen to what she has to say. But some indietalk members were so engrossed in their own ignorance and self aggrandizement that they deliberately drove Georgia away. Georgia's vast knowledge and experience of the film/TV industry and her willingness to share it should have become one of indietalk's greatest resources. Loosing Georgia's contributions is an incalculable loss for indietalk members and if that's not bad enough, virtually no one seems to even recognise this loss, let alone care about it or do anything to make sure it never happens again!

No one wants or likes censorship or wants to see anyone banned (even temporarily) but on the other hand indietalk is in great danger of being nothing more than a site for the blind led by the slightly less blind. It appears that anyone with any real sight or offering an opportunity of sight will quite quickly be driven away by the "one eyed kings". That would be a shame, most here deserve better than that and some put in considerable time and effort to try and make indietalk the best meeting point and resource available for the aspiring filmmaker.

G

Knightly,
I applaud you for taking swift action to maintain the civility of this board. Some of the behavior that was exhibited on this thread was what destroyed another forum called Indieclub. Many years ago, the forum thrived. Then a select group of regular posters decided to treat the forum like thugs treat a street corner. If they didn't know you, they felt they had the right to be disrespectful and often vulgar and mean. If you don't believe me, go check out the forum and see how many posts there are.

I believe everyone here is a good person, but being behind a keyboard allows you to say things you would do in a face to face situation.

I was on indieclub right around that time. Amazingly fast demise for that site.