Is IT for Visual Filmmakers Only?

Cracker Funk · Jun 5, 2016

AudioPostExpert said:
On the grounds that you are maybe sincere in your apology, your attempt at light-hearted humour was just poor/misjudged rather than a deliberately veiled insult and there's potential for others to maybe gain something from this thread, I'll address some of the points made:

Hey, thanks for the response. Yes, my apology was sincere. I've been making grand gestures of sending you smooching emojis for fun, and as an attempt to derail the long-standing conflict between you and I. I was just poking fun of your use of quotation marks, I wasn't trying to call you stupid or anything. I mean heck, I only speak one language. To the best of my knowledge, you speak at least two. You're no dumb-dumb, I know that.

But yeah, your use of the quotation marks was kinda funny. You didn't need to use them. In the English language, when people use quotation marks when they're not needed, it indicates sarcasm. So, the way you wrote it, to someone who speaks English natively, it sounded like you were being sarcastic when you said "reasons".

Look, you and I have had a long and well-documented history of conflict. I'm trying my best to keep it light-hearted. I poked fun of your use of the quotation marks not as an insult to you, I'm just trying to draw attention away from the actual heat that seems to arise any time you and I take part in conversation. I was trying to lighten the mood, and I'm genuinely sorry that my jokes had the opposite effect.

Okay, so back to the actual topic at hand!

AudioPostExpert said:
We're veering off track here, you started asking 1. How we involve other/more audio people on IT, we've also moved into 2. Why newb filmmakers don't appreciate sound and also, 3. How to deal with achieving decent sound with no/little budget when/if there is some appreciation of the importance of sound. While there is some connection between these issues, they are effectively all different/separate issues, each of which really needs it's own thread if we're to do any more than just scratch the surface. One of the connections between these issues is the sheer cost of sound equipment/tools/facilities. This cost makes the cost of all other filmmaking equipment/tools/facilities almost pale into insignificance. It's a cost which prohibits all but a few film courses/educational establishments around the world from exploring much beyond some simple technical basics of sound and, it's a cost which only two theatrical filmmakers (I'm aware of) in the history of filmmaking, have actually taken on themselves. With this fact as a backdrop, we can explore how it's done professionally/commercially and get into one of the questions of: What motivations might there be for film sound audio people to join IT, why newb/amateur filmmakers often ignore sound, how nano budget filmmakers might deal with the situation or any of the other, related points you raised. Which point do you want to discuss?

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I want all of the above!

1. I've already created a thread for how we might get more audio people involved in IT. I don't know how to accomplish that, but I'm trying. I'd love it if IT someday had not just visually-minded newbs but audio-minded newbs. As is, we've got neither.

2. Why don't newbs appreciate sound? I'll create a thread for that, right after I post this.

3. How do tiny-budget filmmakers deal with the realities of their production, while trying their best to make the audio as good as they can? Okay, I'll create a thread for that too.

Thanks for the response, APE! I've not given up hope that you and I may some day figure out how to communicate with each other. Maybe we just have different styles of relating to one another? Maybe it's just a short-coming of effective communication? This latest exchange feels like a good one to me. I will do my best to adapt to your style of communication.

AudioPostExpert · Jun 5, 2016

Cracker Funk said:
1. I've already created a thread for how we might get more audio people involved in IT. I don't know how to accomplish that, but I'm trying. I'd love it if IT someday had not just visually-minded newbs but audio-minded newbs. As is, we've got neither.

Are you talking about attracting filmmakers who are audio-minded or are you talking about people specialising (or thinking of specialising) in film sound? Whichever of these we wish to attract, we have to think in terms of what they will gain from IT, of the benefits to them personally of joining and being an active member.

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