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Old 02-07-2014, 08:22 AM   #16
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To be honest, I kinda disagree with the whole 'People should be able to make up their own minds about what they choose to do' thing simply because the nature of the business means we're keen to impress, happy to work hard, and we're more about the 'creative goal' and less about seeing it as a job that you clock in and out of, and only do your specified hours.

You could have a Producer ask their crew to do 14 or 16hr days with 8 hr turnarounds. IMO, that's unethical, and dangerous - but many newbies would agree to it, either because they're naiive about their entitlements, or because they think it's a great opportunity for them to prove themselves. They'll probably work for free or a cut rate too.

Producers need to treat their crew like humans - pay people their due payments, and work people no longer than they should be with the correct turnarounds.

If a Producer works a crew member 16 hours and he gets hit by a car on the way home, should we blame the crew member because 'he should have known better' or 'he's living with the consequences of choosing to work on this production'?

If the Producer really needs you, he/she can pay you, otherwise find someone else who will agree to do it for free, likely someone not as experienced.

Working for free only devalues you and your services. The less you're paid, the more you end up being taken advantage of.
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To be honest, I kinda disagree with the whole 'People should be able to make up their own minds about what they choose to do' thing simply because the nature of the business means we're keen to impress, happy to work hard, and we're more about the 'creative goal' and less about seeing it as a job that you clock in and out of, and only do your specified hours.

You could have a Producer ask their crew to do 14 or 16hr days with 8 hr turnarounds. IMO, that's unethical, and dangerous - but many newbies would agree to it, either because they're naiive about their entitlements, or because they think it's a great opportunity for them to prove themselves. They'll probably work for free or a cut rate too.

Producers need to treat their crew like humans - pay people their due payments, and work people no longer than they should be with the correct turnarounds.

If a Producer works a crew member 16 hours and he gets hit by a car on the way home, should we blame the crew member because 'he should have known better' or 'he's living with the consequences of choosing to work on this production'?

If the Producer really needs you, he/she can pay you, otherwise find someone else who will agree to do it for free, likely someone not as experienced.

Working for free only devalues you and your services. The less you're paid, the more you end up being taken advantage of.
I'm with you on this. Some of this is mummy and daddy bankrolling kids, other issues are around the flagrant illegality flouting rules and regs and I'm surprised that a well-known production company is happy to break laws which would effectively get them closed down.
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