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Old 11-07-2013, 12:04 AM   #16
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What is it about November that brings this thread up again? First
in Nov 2008 then dead for four years to be revived in Nov 2012
and once again revived this month.
Maybe because it's festival submission season? That's why I brought it back, just putting the finishing touches on
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Old 10-20-2015, 07:38 PM   #17
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I thought I'd post this guide for how credits are conventionally structured. A great way to put a professional polish on your film is to do as the pros do. And so...

OPENING CREDITS
The order of credits is determined by guild rules -- SAG, the DGA, WGA and other unions. the list that follows is for opening credits.

The order in which credits are billed generally follows their importance to the film, just not linearly. First is usually the motion picture company, followed by the producer, then the 'a film by' credit. Then we see the Title followed by the cast. from there we reverse gears on the whole "order of importance" guideline and work backwards to the director...


PRODUCTION COMPANY presents
a NAME LASTNAME production
a NAME LASTNAME film
"TITLE"
Lead Cast
Supporting Cast
Casting Director
Music Composer
Costume Designer
Associate Producers
Editor(s)
Production Designer
Director of Photography
Executive Producer
Producer
Writer(s)
Director


if the writer and director are the same person, or the director was also a producer, hold his earlier credit and pair it with the more prestigious one (in this case "director"). so you would place "Written and Directed by" or "Produced and Directed by" or "Edited and Directed by" where the Director's credit goes. if your Dp was also your editor, you'd have "Editor and Director of Photography..." falling in the position where the DP credit goes. et cetera.

CLOSING CREDITS
Closing credits do not have any hard and fast rules that dictate how they need to be ordered. But there are conventions that have been established. If you intend to have no opening credits (something George Lucas left the DGA over) you basically put the Director, Writer and Producer credits first, then go down the line for the closing credits:


Director
Writer(s)
Producer
Executive Producer
Lead Cast
Supporting Cast
Director of Photography
Production Designer
Editor(s)
Associate Producers
Costume Designer
Music Composer
Casting Director


***if you credited the above in the opening, closing credits begin here ***

Unit Production Manager
First Assistant Director
Second Assistant Director
Full Cast / Character List
Stunt Dept
Production Departments (Grip, Electric, Camera, Sound, Wardrobe, etc)
Post-Production Departments (Assistant Editors, Visual Effects, Colorist, etc)
Song Credits
Caterer
Title Designer
Special Thanks
Camera, Lenses and Equipment Makers
Location of Final Sound Mix ("Recorded at...")
Copyright ©
Disclaimer


special consideration is given for "name" actors, often they are credited just before the title comes up. and again, you have a lot of wiggle room with closing credits. some films credit the entire cast first, before the director. you have options here.

THE DISCLAIMER
Here is a standard motion picture disclaimer...

"PERSON'S NAME OR PRODUCTION COMPANY" is the author of this motion picture for the purpose of copyrght and other laws.

This motion picture is protected pursuant to the provisions of the laws of the United States of America and other countries. Any unauthorized duplication, distribution and/or exhibition of this motion picture may result in civil liability and criminal prosecution.

Characters and incidents portrayed and the names herein are fictitious, and any similarity to the name, character or history of any person is entirely coincidental and unintentional.

No animals were harmed in the making of this film.


PRODUCTION LOGO
if you have an Animated Production Company Logo, place that at the very beginning, before your credits. it's the first thing we see. some studios/production companies will tag the logo on at the very end too.

BREVITY
Now, it's important to note that on a short film, many of the roles you see above were handled by one person. I've been to a few film festivals and there is nothing more likely to induce a collective groan, and lose a few fans in the process, than a tedious string of credits on a five minute film... especially if the same names keep popping up. and I'll tell you why. at festivals, shorts are programmed in blocks of 90 to 120 minutes. no one in the audience cares who did what. so waiting thru two minutes of white test scrolling against black is pretty miserable for everyone. it also does a disservice to your fellow filmmaker. shorts blocks thrive on momentum. I've seen people leave the theater over because of long credits. in particular, I sat through a 22 minute film followed by 6 minutes of very detailed credits. HALF the theater left before my film screened. half.

The best advice I can give here is that if you were the writer, director, producer, cinematographer and editer... just go with the most important titles (in this case... "written and directed by...", dropping any credit for your editing or cinematography. Or maybe "a film by..." is enough. Didn't have a casting director and held scheduled the auditions yourself? skip it. And even if you had a crew of 20-30 people, move through those credits as quickly as possible. When you are watching a short film, a minute worth of credits feels like an eternity. move, baby, move!
I know this sounds like a weird question, but are the various conventions you just listed different in Europe? Because I noticed that a lot of French movies have kind of an odd way of listing writing credits ("screenplay" and "dialogue" are separate things), and sometimes credit directors in a roundabout way (for example, Amelie was "a film by jean-Pierre jeunet" not "directed by jean-Pierre jeunet") or simply don't credit them at all (He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not). Oh, and by the way, my French is very poor, so correct me if I made any mistakes.
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I know this sounds like a weird question, but are the various conventions you just listed different in Europe? Because I noticed that a lot of French movies have kind of an odd way of listing writing credits ("screenplay" and "dialogue" are separate things), and sometimes credit directors in a roundabout way (for example, Amelie was "a film by jean-Pierre jeunet" not "directed by jean-Pierre jeunet") or simply don't credit them at all (He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not). Oh, and by the way, my French is very poor, so correct me if I made any mistakes.
In the US you will see "Story by" and "Screenplay by". In France the "story by"
equivalent is often "screenplay by" and the "dialogue by" is often the US equivalent
of "screenplay by". Many US films pre 1960 listed "dialogue by" in addition to
"screenplay by". That credit has fallen out of favor.

"Amelie" does list "Directed by" in addition to "A film by". Many American films
give both credits. It's been a long time since I've seen "À la folie... pas du tout"
but i remember seeing the "réalisateur" credit which translates to director.
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Old 10-21-2015, 04:12 PM   #19
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What is it about November that brings this thread up again? First
in Nov 2008 then dead for four years to be revived in Nov 2012
and once again revived this month.
Here we are again in late October of 2015, we were so close!

Also I thought this was a new thread so it took me by surprise to see my name come up in asking questions from a couple years ago that I now know the answer to. Glad to see I've at least learned something about filmmaking!

QUICK NOTES for anyone else with questions on this topic:

I'm making a short based on written materials right now so I put "Based on the short story xxxxx by xxxxx" in my opening titles which was something not listed on this thread.

I also did something kind of unique since I did so many jobs on this film... I put "A Film by Josh Beck" in the opening titles, then in the end credits I put "Post Production by Josh Beck" as the last crew credit. Saved TONS of time and redundant credits. and put more of the focus on the crew members who helped on set.

As a technical note for someone looking to make scrolling credits, I have always been annoyed by the lack of customizability I've seen with some of those plugins or programs. What I always end up doing is making a really long PNG image file in Photoshop so it looks exactly the way I want with the spacing and font and then I automate it in my editing software so it just moves across the screen vertically. Pretty simple.
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It's been a long time since I've seen "À la folie... pas du tout"
but i remember seeing the "réalisateur" credit which translates to director.
I guess I've never noticed that. Could you point out where it is?
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:54 AM   #21
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What I always end up doing is making a really long PNG image file in Photoshop so it looks exactly the way I want with the spacing and font and then I automate it in my editing software so it just moves across the screen vertically. Pretty simple.
I haven't thought of doing that before! Might try it on my next short.
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