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Old 01-07-2018, 06:00 PM   #31
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I think CF said he's already seen The Disaster Artist 3 times & wants to go again. So he is a fan of The Room.
So directorik, when you saw The Room, was the audience laughing & enjoying it?

I don't mean to put these films & their creators down, CF. Making a film is very hard, so people that finish, even a bad one, deserve acknowledgement, especially if they have little money. I applaud their determination to keep going when people around them may be saying it's bad. A person can seem stupid or crazy for going against everyone's advice. But sometimes you have to be like that when you're doing something new & different that people aren't used to. You need to believe in yourself & push on when things get tough.

On the other hand, this strong self belief can go wrong if you're not able to be a bit objective & be really open to people's opinions. That seems to be the case with these 3 directors in varying degrees. It's a tough balance. How can you tell who's right when you're so close to it? I like learning what I can from these examples.

To Tommy's credit, he did seem to recognize after the audience screenings that The Room is bad, & his willingness to market it that way is why it has fans.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE "The Disaster Artist" (the movie; haven't read the book). Maybe I'll watch it again today.

Thank you for sharing these thoughts, buscando; I agree with most of what you've said.

I understand that a lot of people have fun making fun of how horrible "The Room" is, and yes, that is something I can agree with -- that movie is really shitty. But I don't enjoy laughing at shitty things.

*except for the line, "oh, HAI Mark!" That one is never not funny.

I used to be a film critic. My reviews were published in the local newspaper, twice weekly. I wasn't afraid to give films I loved all the accolades I thought they deserved. I also wasn't afraid to tear a movie to shreds, in as humorous a manner as possible. The editor I worked for liked it when I did this. My readers liked it when I did this.

I don't remember what the turning-point was, but I eventually grew tired of hating on movies. I eventually had an epiphany -- instead of critiquing other people's films, I should make my own. That's my origin-story.

Occasionally, I will shit all over a movie if I really think it deserves it, for ethical reasons. But when it comes to artistic quality, which of course is subjective, I now choose to mostly reserve my public comments for movies that really impress me, in one way or another. Like "The Disaster Artist"!

What's my point, directorik? Yes, of course, we are all entitled to our opinions. It's just that not all opinions are created equally. In my freshman year of college, I remember some random asshole shouting out from the back of Psych 101 that, "opinions are like assholes - we all have one, and they all stink."

Okay, technically that's true. But it paints an incomplete picture. Some buttholes are stinkier than others. How do I know this to be true? Because I ride a bike for a living, in a city that is just as hilly as SFC, and my life-schedule doesn't allow me to shower until AFTER work, and by then, my butthole is VERRRRRRYYYYY stinky!

Sure, everyone can have an opinion about any movie they want. There are people who really enjoy my debut feature film. I know, because they've told me. And there are people who really didn't enjoy my debut feature film. I know, because they've told me. So, is my debut feature film "good" or "bad"?

Here's the answer -- I don't give a fuck! It served a purpose. It got an actual theatrical release. I'm on Rotten Tomatoes. We won some awards at some regional festivals. I made friends with some REALLY talented thespians.

I made that film always intending it to be a stepping-stone and that is EXACTLY what it turned out to be. So why the fuck would I care about the opinion of anyone who might think it's a "bad" movie? I don't.

I've seen some of the films made by other producers on this forum. Some of them are really great. Some of them are really shitty. How many of them have I ever publicly hated on? Zero. Because I know the struggle and I am a firm believer in the idea that all of us benefit when we build each other up.

So, back to my original point -- is "The Room" a "good" movie? Is "Birdemic" a "good" movie? Those are the wrong questions to be asking, and all low-budget filmmakers should instead be asking -- did they turn a profit? And how did they do that?

And more importantly, is there anything I can do to help?

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Also, a perfect movie to watch with "The Disaster Artist" -- "American Movie". It's an inspiration, and hilarious.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:05 PM   #33
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Glad you liked that video, directorik & WalterB.
Thanks for the detailed reply, CF.
Just to be clear, I'm not hating on The Disaster Artist, I said it was good overall. I'm not hating on The Room or Birdemic either, although if I was, that's fine too for any film. I'm just saying a majority of people think The Room & Birdemic are bad. And I'm studying the wide gulf between their director's aims & the audience response. When I asked directorik if the audience laughed at The Room, I wanted to find out if their enjoyment got him to enjoy the movie too, even for a bit. Didn't most people who liked The Room like it because it made them laugh?

I can understand wanting beginning filmmakers to make a profit, & wanting to help them regardless of whether the film is good or bad. But one of the best ways for a film to make a profit is for it to be good. And some filmmakers do like getting opinions, & sometimes they benefit if they figure out which ones are valid. The opinion of a person who knows what they're talking about can be very helpful, balanced with the filmmaker's goals & target audience. Each situation is different.

The butthole analogy is great. I can also tell you some buttholes don't stink after a thorough shower & if you're really into that person. So ya, some opinions are actually sexy, I mean good. I meant good
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:13 PM   #34
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Dick James Franco calls Tommy Wiseau on stage then pushes him away from mic with "whoa whoa" like you're not supposed to speak even though this movie was based on you. Anyone see this?
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:23 PM   #36
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:24 PM   #37
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:41 PM   #38
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Picture Julia Roberts calling Erin Brockovich on stage and stopping her from talking with "whoa whoa" and a hand in her face, and you get the idea. Dickiest move I've seen in a long time.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:18 AM   #40
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Dick James Franco calls Tommy Wiseau on stage then pushes him away from mic with "whoa whoa" like you're not supposed to speak even though this movie was based on you. Anyone see this?
He's afraid that tommy is going to say something bad about the movie
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:27 AM   #41
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I love The Room! It's definitely the best/worst movie that I've ever seen. It's life changing. Disaster Artist is great, but imho it's kinda difficult to top the room!
I wouldn't have said they were trying to top 'the room' with 'the disaster artist'. Ones a Biopic and ones a drama (later comedy).

I would also say that while I thought of Ed Wood while watching it, they again are two seperate beasts. One is a highly stylised flight of fancy that was made to suit the character, not the facts. TDA felt more like a straight movie that simply has a 'unique' individual at its centre.

Both moved me however. I think they are both ace.

As for the room itself, it's a wonderful oddity. Much like birdemic and ALLLLLL the movies on red letter medias best of the worst. I'm fascinated by really terrible movies.

Neil Breen is another of example of entertaining rubbish.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:04 AM   #42
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What's my point, directorik? Yes, of course, we are all entitled to our opinions. It's just that not all opinions are created equally.
I understand now. Thanks. We have a different view. I believe we are
all entitled to our opinions and each opinion is as equal as the other.
Even if a producer hasn't turned a profit I believe their opinion on a
movie is just as equal as a a producer who has. But now I understand
where you're coming from .
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sfoster, is there stuff Tommy doesn't like about The Disaster Artist?
indietalk, it doesn't seem that bad on this video. Dave made a pretty big deal calling Tommy up on stage & saying he was the 1st person he had to thank. Dave whoa whoa'd him with an arm block, instead of a push. Dave probably rehearsed his speech to make sure it would fit in his limited time.

Tommy speaking would've been great TV though, I hope we find out what he was gonna say.
But Dave is probably a dick anyway cuz you are what you eat haha
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:48 PM   #44
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I feel like the moment could have been saved by him offering him to step up to speak in the very end, to give him a few seconds. It's true he had started his speech already, but it still looked rude and didn't have to imo.
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True, that would've been nice.
Has anyone seen the other performances? Was Franco the best actor?
The only one I've seen is Baby Driver, & that guy wasn't that impressive.
But it was a decent comedy/musical

Best Film Comedy/Musical Actor
Steve Carell, “Battle of the Sexes”
Ansel Elgort, “Baby Driver”
James Franco, “The Disaster Artist”
Hugh Jackman, “The Greatest Showman”
Daniel Kaluuya, “Get Out”
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