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Old 10-28-2012, 04:12 PM   #16
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Hey @Tomp. Get on Twitter mate! Also, make you indiegogo more appealing. Shoot a video with whatever equipment you can find or borrorow about the film, about you, why are you making it, etc. It really does help to have some sort of past experience, even if it's school videos or whatever. I just got done shooting a short called "Masked," that we raised $4,000 for on indiegogo. Check out the campaign here.

Use your phone, or someone else's or someone's camera and shoot a real quick short film. Have trouble with ideas? Go to filmfights.com and make a film for one of their fights. "Masked" was our first big short film (sort of) but we had done plenty of little things before.

We also did our film for almost no money. Maybe $200.

As an indie filmmaker you have this special power of being poor that big hollwood producers don't have. You know how to cut corners, ask for stuff for free or trade, and basically make a thousand dollar movie on a $50 budget.

One thing I have to say about your campaign is that you have a definite audience. Even if other people are interested in the film, a large portion of the LGBT community will support it. Start going to forums or Reddit pages that are LGBT specific and pitching the film.

I wish you the best of luck and if I can come up with a little scratch before your campaign is over I'll put a bit in. It's a good idea and I love supporting indie filmmakers, especially ones that are brave enough to ask strangers for money.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:13 PM   #17
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I like everything that Dreadylocks said, and she knows what she's talking about. Addressing the original question of finding funding, your short is about lesbians, pitch your idea on gay and lesbian forums and link your signature to your indiegogo campaign. Before you go running off and joining every G/L/T forum on the internet, make sure that you have a solid screenplay and a workable, detailed, budget. When you ask strangers/people for money, they want to know what you are going to spend THEIR money on. Do not tell people "hey, if give me $XXX.XX, I'm going to buy a kick ass camera/lights/tripod/follow focus/whatever so that I can make this awesome movie that I want to make.

People have gotten surprisingly decent results using an iPhone as their camera. You should get somebody else to do the audio, it is that important. Being in school, you should have no trouble finding somebody with decent audio gear that would be willing to trade their time on your film for your time on their film. You don't live near Harmonica44 do you? I'm just kidding about H44, but there should be people like him (guys with gear looking for others to work with them) near you. You have options, so don't get stuck in the "I have to do it all myself" mindset. Best of luck to you.
I agree with this whole post. Lol.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:55 PM   #18
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You agree with your own post?

Edit: Damn, I must have been tired. I thought you wrote the post, quoted it and said you liked it. Never mind, nothing to see here, move along...

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Old 10-28-2012, 05:08 PM   #19
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You agree with your own post?
Lol. Cute. I agree to the post that I quoted. Happy?
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Old 10-28-2012, 05:52 PM   #20
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I just want to add, find crew people with their own equipment who also pay the insurance on their own equipment.


Rent is a curse word for independent filmmakers because you must have a substantial credit line to rent equipment and low paid crew people tend to abuse rented equipment. So, when you go to return it, you are left holding the bag getting charged on your charge card for what a crew person did to the equipment.

I have personal experience with this and stuck with a no rental policy ever since.

Crew people only take proper care of their own equipment.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:56 PM   #21
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I just want to add, find crew people with their own equipment who also pay the insurance on their own equipment.


Rent is a curse word for independent filmmakers because you must have a substantial credit line to rent equipment and low paid crew people tend to abuse rented equipment. So, when you go to return it, you are left holding the bag getting charged on your charge card for what a crew person did to the equipment.

I have personal experience with this and stuck with a no rental policy ever since.

Crew people only take proper care of their own equipment.
Not true. I have zero credit and have rented gear before. All they wanted was a photocopy of my driver's license.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:39 PM   #22
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Not true. I have zero credit and have rented gear before. All they wanted was a photocopy of my driver's license.
I cannot rent around here without a credit card. They want both a driver's license and a credit card on file and they put a charge on the card to see if it is legit. The places here rent five and six digit pieces of equipment and they will not rent without collateral because they see renting out as loaning out. And loans must have collateral behind them like taking a loan from a bank.

A lighting department guy "Lost" a piece of equipment the rental house billed me $10,000 for.

That's my personal experience with rentals and why I stopped renting.

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Old 10-28-2012, 07:49 PM   #23
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Thanks to everyone who has replied. As many of you were wondering what I was going to spend the money on I'll tell you first:

- liquid latex ($13)
- fake blood ($6)
- charity shop top & hoody ($22) (can't use actors as these will get ripped and sections will be covered in liquid latex/fake blood)
- paying special effects artist ($20)
- paying actors (in pizza - $20)
- canon t2i ($514) (although most of you will argue you can make a film on something cheaper than this, I wanted to try and raise enough money to buy this as I wanted to make a film that looked good visually)

I've already got just under $100 saved, and as directorik has also done, I've been going without lunch too in order to try and get some extra money, although I think they're catching on as they're trying to get me to take my own lunch more and more.

Also as my description of my film seems to be too vague... I'll describe it in more detail (I was just trying not to give away the whole plot of the film straight away but anyways...): The film follows the life of two teenage girls who are secretly in love, their names are Chloe and Kat (Katherine - her name meaning "pure/virginal"). The film starts off with the quotation "where there is love, there is pain" and then everything fades but the word "pain" which then fades into the first scene which is of an unknown girl standing on some train tracks with a train speeding towards her. Just as the train is about to hit her we cut to the second scene. We see Chloe and Kat at Chloes house, both lying next to each other in bed. And from there we grow more atttached to the two characters as the film progresses, creating an emotional bomb. They both go out for the day and end up fishing with nets in the river, after Kat catches a fish she trips, spilling the bucket of water she placed it in over Chloe. Chloe then chases Kat across the field (in a playful way but this scene is important as it mirrors a scene later on in the film). Anyway, skipping ahead a bit... they're then walking home before they get stopped by a "chavy" teenage boy who tries to rape Chloe. Theres obvious struggle between the three characters and in the end Kat's shot by the teenage boy. He then tries to flee the scene but Chloe in her upset mindset goes after him and chases him (this is the scene that mirrors the scene of Chloe chasing Kat). After catching up to him, Chloe jumps on top of him and they stuggle before she kicks him in the groin and they both fall to the ground, Chloe grabs a large rock and smashes it agaisnt the teenage boy's face repeatedly... with each blow to his face causing her to cry more and more. The realisation of everything that has just happened causes her to get upset and to start crying on top of the boy. A passer-by then comes across Chloe and the body and Chloe flees the scene. She appears in a large field with a train track running through it and she slowly walks towards the tracks. Upon getting to the tracks she sits down and takes out a picture from her jacket pocket and then looks at it on her blood covered hands. A light comes from her left (a train) and she stands up, open armed as the train ploughs into her. The photo then floats down and when the train has left, the photo lands on the track to reveal the two girls happy together. The quotation "where there is love, there is pain" then fades onto screen and the rest of the screen fades to black.

I hope that more detailed explanation has satisfied many of you, I realise I should've put this up originally, maybe with a spoiler warning or something, but I just didn't want to give the whole story away.

Also to the people saying about getting money from my friends/family, most of them are using the "im broke" excuse or are helping in my film in one way or another and are saying "we shouldn't have to give you any money because we're already giving up our time". However, I am trying to get support from people, one of the reasons I asked on here.

And finally, to the people wondering how dedicated I really am to this film... I've already planned everything including the filming dates and times (which I've checked with the actors I plan to use) and when we have to be at different locations. So whether I get this money or not, I will still be shooting the film... Just, without the money it won't look nearly as good as with the money.

I hope this answered everybodys questions/queries and I apologise if my answers don't make complete sense, It's 1 in the morning where I am but I realised I hadn't checked on here 10mins ago and thought I'd answer all these questions before going to bed. Anyway, if anyone else has any other questions please don't hesitate to ask.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:34 PM   #24
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So really you're just trying to raise money to buy yourself a camera.

Have you even tried running an ad online for a DP to work for credit, copy and meals? There are so many aspiring cinematographers out there who have already got a T2i or better. Are you saying they've all turned you down?

Crowdfunding isn't about getting new toys. If you want a new camera, why don't you get a part-time job? Even at minimum wage, if you work only ten hours a week you'll reach 500 bucks in two months. You can't tell me that your school schedule is so intense that you can't work 10 hours a week.

Let me be clear, too. I do not own a HDLSR, though I would love to. I can't afford it. What I do have is an HD camcorder that is considered obsolete in this DSLR-crazed era. And guess what, when you put the in time and effort, the picture looks just as good as any DSLR. And guess what else? You can get my exact camera model for $200 or less these days on eBay (even though I paid $800 for it when it was new and all the craze.)

So go grab an HD camcorder, learn how to light a scene, and make your film for the $61 that is what you listed besides buying yourself a new toy. You said you've already saved $100 so you're $39 ahead of the game. Spring for an extra pizza for your cast and crew. They'll love you.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:10 PM   #25
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So really you're just trying to raise money to buy yourself a camera.

Have you even tried running an ad online for a DP to work for credit, copy and meals? There are so many aspiring cinematographers out there who have already got a T2i or better. Are you saying they've all turned you down?

Crowdfunding isn't about getting new toys. If you want a new camera, why don't you get a part-time job? Even at minimum wage, if you work only ten hours a week you'll reach 500 bucks in two months. You can't tell me that your school schedule is so intense that you can't work 10 hours a week.

Let me be clear, too. I do not own a HDLSR, though I would love to. I can't afford it. What I do have is an HD camcorder that is considered obsolete in this DSLR-crazed era. And guess what, when you put the in time and effort, the picture looks just as good as any DSLR. And guess what else? You can get my exact camera model for $200 or less these days on eBay (even though I paid $800 for it when it was new and all the craze.)

So go grab an HD camcorder, learn how to light a scene, and make your film for the $61 that is what you listed besides buying yourself a new toy. You said you've already saved $100 so you're $39 ahead of the game. Spring for an extra pizza for your cast and crew. They'll love you.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:22 PM   #26
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....and give Dreadylocks a Line Producers credit in the short. She saved you 80% of the initial proposed budget and got your short greenlit as you already have the budget in the kitty.

Congrats, go find yourself a friends camera and make your short. And remember, it doesn't have to be cinema quality. Shoot with what you can get your hands on. An Iphone if push comes to shove. The chances of a distributor picking up your short for wide cinematic release is.... well you guess.

Show us what you made when you're done.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:55 AM   #27
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The holidays are coming. When your parents and grandparents, and any other relatives ask what you'd like for Christmas. Tell them a gift certificate to the camera store of choice, and maybe that will get you partially on your way to that new camera.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:15 AM   #28
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If your still a school kid, then get your mum and dad or grandparents to get you a camera, simply done, people buy 5 yr olds iPads and whatnot so you can get a t2i for 350-400, look on digital rev you may be able to get the t3i for the same price or cheaper than the t2i
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:48 AM   #29
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Sorry but I think it sounds like you just want to get some money to buy yourself a camera and it has nothing to do with making the short.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:59 AM   #30
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So really you're just trying to raise money to buy yourself a camera.

Have you even tried running an ad online for a DP to work for credit, copy and meals? There are so many aspiring cinematographers out there who have already got a T2i or better. Are you saying they've all turned you down?

Crowdfunding isn't about getting new toys. If you want a new camera, why don't you get a part-time job? Even at minimum wage, if you work only ten hours a week you'll reach 500 bucks in two months. You can't tell me that your school schedule is so intense that you can't work 10 hours a week.

Let me be clear, too. I do not own a HDLSR, though I would love to. I can't afford it. What I do have is an HD camcorder that is considered obsolete in this DSLR-crazed era. And guess what, when you put the in time and effort, the picture looks just as good as any DSLR. And guess what else? You can get my exact camera model for $200 or less these days on eBay (even though I paid $800 for it when it was new and all the craze.)

So go grab an HD camcorder, learn how to light a scene, and make your film for the $61 that is what you listed besides buying yourself a new toy. You said you've already saved $100 so you're $39 ahead of the game. Spring for an extra pizza for your cast and crew. They'll love you.
Thanks for the reply, and no I haven't tried running an online advert. However that's mainly because I live in a not very exciting town called Shrewsbury in England and the nearest city is just over an hour away (and that's where most people who are willing to help and use their camera/equipment are based).

And no my school schedule isn't that intense, however its finding a job thats the hard part. I've been trying since July which is almost 4 months ago but no-one wants to hire me. So from this I've been trying to do other things to raise money, like buy and sell online but unfortunately non of these schemes have made enough profit.

And I know it seems like I just want a new camera, and yes I do, but I also wanted to make my first short film look good. I'm somewhat of a perfectionist and an optimist, which is why I tried crowdfunding. However, if crowdfunding does fail then I'll continue to save up all my money I get and at the same time going round everyone at my college to see if they have a camera I could film with. I could use what I have at the moment which is my dad's old camcorder but he stopped using it but that really is bad so I'll probably just wait.

EDIT: Let me make it clear that my dad's old camcorder has a vertical black line running through it (in-between the center and the right of the frame). And this is why I would rather wait and try and get the money, then use that.

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