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Old 04-23-2016, 12:13 AM   #16
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Some of those clips you see could be from people developing their own film. Or doing a "white wall telecine."
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Old 04-23-2016, 07:30 AM   #17
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Excellent, so there would be versatility to an extent with one camera? All comes down to type of film and development process? Sorry for all the questions but I am eager to learn.
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Old 04-23-2016, 10:37 AM   #18
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I saw some other footage tests for the canon scoopic and they looked good while others had a lot of lines and blotches so I assume that came down to film type and such because a couple tests I saw looked wonderful.
All that shows is that the skill, experience and talent of the filmmaker is
important. A great, top-of-the-line camera using a sensitive film stock in
the hands of a first timer will not result in amazing footage. An inexpensive
super 8 camera using the same film stock in the hands of talented person
with some experience will look quite good. The "film type" isn't the culprit
in the tests you have been looking at.

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I'm only worried about not having a range to shoot with. I'd want some things to look crips and clean yet clearly on film while others such as the western I'm going to start writing out soon, to look more gritty and similar to the older Clint Eastwood style films but wouldn't want to have to own 5 different cameras lol.
You don't need different cameras, you need to learn how to use film. It has
a very different learning curve than analogue video or digital. I know you
are putting a lot of hope in the camera and film type. I think that is misplaced.
Your first tests may well be poor. That doesn't mean you need a different
camera or film stock. It usually means you need more experience.
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I also looked up film prices and it was sort of hard to find, maybe because I did it on my phone and Kodak made me look through a catalog but am I correct in that 1 reel of 16mm is roughly $45? It said it was 50ft so how long would that last at 24fps?
Check B&H Photo in NY and Spectra Film and Video in L.A. 100Ft of Vision3
(the same film stock used to shoot “The Hateful Eight”) is $56. 200ft is $222.
16mm has 40 frames per foot. That means a 100ft roll runs 2min, 47sec at
24fps. Most filmmakers use a 400ft roll in a magazine – it's cheaper at $221.

Learning to shoot on film is expensive, isn't it? And it's challenging.
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Old 04-23-2016, 10:47 AM   #19
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I understand it will get pricey but I plan to was into it and not dive into an actual short film or anything until I've worked up my talent with it but I love the look and style you can get as well as the community. You guys are a great example of that. It's easy for me to get answers and such just because of how passionate you guys are about it, it's a community I hope to join. Hopefully my final question, is there any way to monitor it? I assume not but figured
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This appears to be an ancient thread, but as a one time dogged film user I just wanted to emphasize one point: what most influences image quality with film are two variables - the lens, and the film stock (keeping the film gauge constant, of course, e.g. comparing 35mm to 35mm, 16mm to 16mm, etc). The idea of the camera body influencing image quality is a video-ism, since video cameras all have their own built in chips. Think of it as a camera with just one kind of film stock - that is what video cameras essentially are.

I notice this section of the forum is pretty dead and that's not a surprise. Celluloid has taken a serious dive down and it's a hell of a learning curve for the video generation. I love the look of film but to go back to shooting it would be too much of a pain - the cameras were heavy, they had their own mechanical issues to deal with, film stock always needed more light, and noise was an issue even with the 'blimped' cameras. To shoot a feature in 16mm today would necessitate an outlay of at least $50,000 for film, processing and transfer, plus waiting for about a week to see your dailies. Personally I think it's much wiser to use that money elsewhere unless you've got money to burn.
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I saw some other footage tests for the canon scoopic and they looked good
Yep. I have a couple of them; one for daylight stock and one for tungsten stock. That way, I could just finish the roll and not waste any footage.



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Oops! I guess it is. Here I was following along and see if this guy was interested in my Scoopics. I also have a Bolex, but it's a P.O.C. Nevermind.
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