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Old 07-04-2011, 09:31 AM   #16
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Also cameronchapman,

I am not a greedy man. Hey, if one or two of my scripts sell, I have a bunch more yet to offer (the demand will dictate the price). I plan to do a lot more writing over the next thirty years. Never had writers block.
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:47 AM   #17
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Sorry to correct you. But you need to read the contracted agreement! Because you are clearly wrong. The PRIZE money for best script is 20,000.00. Several best script awards are given each month. Best dialogues fluctuate in award money offered monthly. The Juries are constantly changed as well. You have mistakenly mixed award money with purchase money.

FROM THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT:

A purchase price for any script is $200,000.00 -- look it up in the contract.

6.1. If, after exercising the Option, we commercially distribute a Full Length Movie in theatrical movie cinemas and it earns US$60,000,000 or more in domestic gross box office receipts as Reported in Daily Variety (or, if it is discontinued, a similar publication) during its initial theatrical release in the United States, we will pay you a one-time bonus of US$400,000.

6.2. If, after releasing a Full Length Movie, we start principal photography for a sequel, prequel, or spin-off Full Length Movie based on the Property, we will pay you a one-time fee of US$100,000.

6.3. If, after releasing a Full Length Movie, we produce an episodic television series based on the Property that is picked up and produced, we will pay you a one-time fee of US$5,000 per episode when the episode is first aired (including pilots).

The exclusive right to buy it (and its associated rights) during the 18 month term of the option, for $200,000 plus other possible bonuses. We can extend this option another 18 months by paying you $10,000.

UNDERSTAND -- many of the problems some may have with Amazon Studios contract and set up is if one goes for the open end on the script submitted. MINE are all CLOSED!
Sorry, I thought YOU were the one talking about the prize money.

$400,000 on $60 million? So you'd be making 1% of the gross IF the movie made $60 million in the initial theatrical release (so not counting foreign releases, DVD release, later TV airings, etc.). You never get paid a dime on residuals. You could write the next Avatar and you'd still only get $600k. And if your film makes $59 million, you only get $200k, which is about a third of a percent. It's only a good deal for the screenwriter if the film doesn't make much money.

And regardless of what the contract says about the option, etc., you're still granting them all sorts of rights before they pay you a cent. It basically says they can do whatever they want with your script with the exception of a novelization. Sure, you might say that's not the intention of the contract, but the intention isn't going to matter a bit if their investors decide they should be taking advantage of the rights they have.
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:30 AM   #18
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cameronchapman,

LOL. Here we are, talking about my being cheated out of huge amounts of money, if one of my scripts should turn into an AVATAR like success. How realistic is that? I would love to see that. Man, I would love to see that! Please go read my script THE SOUNDS OF NIGHTMARES on Amazon Studios, then tell me it has a shot to bring in AVATAR like box office receipts... please?

It could happen. I think THE SOUNDS OF NIGHTMARES is every bit as good as AVATAR. Of course I am a tad biased. Still laughing out loud. If, that is a very big if, THE SOUNDS OF NIGHTMARES did hit the magic number at the box office, what do you think the market would do for another script by yours truely?

Man, oh man, I got 28 of these kick-ass scripts... but don't take my word for it -- give me a read!
Keep me worried about how much money I am not going to get...

I am not being sarcastic, cameronchapman, I understand what you are saying. I'm just not greedy, nor will I feel cheated, cause I write due to I love writing. I think it shows in what I do. And from where I am, everything looks up these days anyway...

Once again, for anyone that has an hour or two and wants to read the next AVATAR... it is called THE SOUND OF NIGHTMARES (shameless self-promotion)...
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:39 AM   #19
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Don, I'm on there too - only stuck one old one up - as you say only gathering dust, not the type of fair to do well anyhow - lol!

BUT the main reason I'm there is to 'rewrite' others sp's - want at least a dozen up by year end, whether they win or not for me isn't the point. My tactic is to 'show' that I can write and thereby garner some interest that way.

As we all know, chances of getting your own stuff produced is very slim - normally a paid rewriting gig is the way into the 'show'. So this way - no cost but my time, allows me through the front door of a major studio - Warner Bros backed!

All the best Don, Jim.
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Old 07-19-2011, 07:31 AM   #20
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Live, learn and I was wrong...

When I am wrong, there are usually consequences to be paid... in this case, I suffer the loss of two scripts for 18 months, maybe longer.

cameronchapman was right! I was wrong. Amazon Studios is a bad idea for script writers. Cameron, I am far from perfect, I live and learn. Now have to pay the price. Ouch.

I have two scripts on Amazon Studios. Public feedback is that both scripts are very good, 5 star (out of 5) on premise, well written, solid, identifiable characters with strong, believable dialogues. Yet, unlike the transparency of scripts for the public to read, (fellow AS script writers can also review openly), the two scripts couldn't make the list of finalists chosen behind closed doors at Amazon Studios when read by their AS hired 'readers' in private.

Yeah, I can hear many reading my comments and saying "sour grapes, dude" or maybe, "your script really SUCKs", or "got a fat head, your work is NOT that good". I know it is a roll of the dice too. You take your chances when you do competitions.

But here is the really cool thing! YOU can download my scripts! READ them for yourself (even if just the first 30 pages)! THEN, decide whether or not, sour grapes, the scripts suck or I have a fat head.

OR, if THE SOUND OF NIGHTMARES and WILLIE are pretty well written with fresh premise, solid, identifiable characters giving strong, believable dialogues.

Hey, I am not thin-skinned. I live, learn by doing, putting things out there to the public for their perusal. I learn by listening to what others say.

PLEASE, download the above scripts. The PDF is best for easy reading. IF you can -- give them a read? Pass the URLs (scripts) on to as many other writers or people in the Biz you know. Feel free to read some of the scripts that DID make the finalist list. Compare. A lot of people are now questioning AmazonStudios.

Then DECIDE for yourself if Amazon Studios is where you want to put your future work. No need for others to make the same mistake I have. Now I have to wait 18 months (or longer) to free my work for other destinations.

Cameron, you were right!

Once again:

THE SOUND OF NIGHTMARES

WILLIE

If I could get 100 downloads, wow, pass it on...
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:06 AM   #21
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You keep repeating, and it keeps impressing me, 28 scripts? all features? Wow! That's allotta writin' man!
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:52 PM   #22
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When I am wrong, there are usually consequences to be paid... in this case, I suffer the loss of two scripts for 18 months, maybe longer.

cameronchapman was right! I was wrong. Amazon Studios is a bad idea for script writers. Cameron, I am far from perfect, I live and learn. Now have to pay the price. Ouch.

I have two scripts on Amazon Studios. Public feedback is that both scripts are very good, 5 star (out of 5) on premise, well written, solid, identifiable characters with strong, believable dialogues. Yet, unlike the transparency of scripts for the public to read, (fellow AS script writers can also review openly), the two scripts couldn't make the list of finalists chosen behind closed doors at Amazon Studios when read by their AS hired 'readers' in private.

Yeah, I can hear many reading my comments and saying "sour grapes, dude" or maybe, "your script really SUCKs", or "got a fat head, your work is NOT that good". I know it is a roll of the dice too. You take your chances when you do competitions.

But here is the really cool thing! YOU can download my scripts! READ them for yourself (even if just the first 30 pages)! THEN, decide whether or not, sour grapes, the scripts suck or I have a fat head.

OR, if THE SOUND OF NIGHTMARES and WILLIE are pretty well written with fresh premise, solid, identifiable characters giving strong, believable dialogues.

Hey, I am not thin-skinned. I live, learn by doing, putting things out there to the public for their perusal. I learn by listening to what others say.

PLEASE, download the above scripts. The PDF is best for easy reading. IF you can -- give them a read? Pass the URLs (scripts) on to as many other writers or people in the Biz you know. Feel free to read some of the scripts that DID make the finalist list. Compare. A lot of people are now questioning AmazonStudios.

Then DECIDE for yourself if Amazon Studios is where you want to put your future work. No need for others to make the same mistake I have. Now I have to wait 18 months (or longer) to free my work for other destinations.

Cameron, you were right!

Once again:

THE SOUND OF NIGHTMARES

WILLIE

If I could get 100 downloads, wow, pass it on...
Sorry that it didn't work out for you. I checked out one of the other semi-finalist scripts and stopped reading after two pages. It was bad, to say the least.

Really, Amazon should change the rules so that you don't lose rights to your own work for 18 months for nothing. I can maybe see doing that for people who at least make the finals (or even semi-finals) for each month, in case Amazon decides they want to do something with those scripts, but for everyone else, it's just a rights grab. It's what Amazon does.

I used to participate in their Breakthrough Novel Award contest. The first year I participated, you had the option to refuse the contract if you didn't like the terms, even if you won. Now, you don't have that option (and I don't participate any longer). Once you enter, if you win, it's theirs. For a lot less than you might get by going the agent/publisher route. And yet I know a lot of writers who are so desperate to be published that they'll do anything for what they view as a fair shot.

I think there are a lot of screenwriters and filmmakers who are in the same boat, and Amazon preys on them. It sucks.

Again, sorry it didn't work out for you. I genuinely was hoping it would.
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Old 07-19-2011, 07:46 PM   #23
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You keep repeating, and it keeps impressing me, 28 scripts? all features? Wow! That's allotta writin' man!
They are good too, I just finished one and am reading the next one. Don is no Joke!
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:21 AM   #24
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Didn't want to start a new thread on this, but I got something interesting in my inbox this morning: Amazon Studios is running a rewrite contest right now, with a grand prize of $10,000. It's for a rewrite of one of the scripts that won an earlier award (Zombies vs Gladiators).

I think I might actually enter this one. Mainly because it's a rewrite contest, so I'm not giving up any of the rights to my original IP. Also, I think I'd like to get into script doctoring at some point, and this seems like it could be a way to do it, or at least to get some experience and find out if it's something I really would love to do.

So, while I know I was adamantly against Amazon Studios other programs, I think this one might be something worth looking at, if you're interested in rewriting other people's scripts (or even just for the practice). It's not like you could do anything with the rewritten script on your own anyway, so it's not a big deal if Amazon retains all the rights to it.

There's info about the contest here: http://studios.amazon.com/projects/2909

Deadline is August 31st, so plenty of time left to give it a go. Amazon Studios has also posted their feedback on the script (here: http://studios.amazon.com/discussions/Tx32PQHEAVL4EXR), so you have an idea of the kind of rewrites they're looking for.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:45 AM   #25
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I'd wager a download and read the first twenty pages, but doing it through Amazon is dicey. They're already ganking peoples rights, so even if they do use your idea they don't have to give you credit for it: it'll be plenty easy to say that "we had this basic idea from so and so but our writers re-developed it, so it's no longer what he wrote."

You're out of a credit, which is the least they could do.

And, on the other hand, I'm a writer (consistent) and I don't want to get into any legal debacle with an entity as massive as Amazon. In short, you just will not win.

If you make it available here on the forums I'll read.

Also, in response to Cameron's post... Zombies Vs Gladiators? I facepalmed...

Definitely already KNOW that script is terrible.
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Just keep in mind, you could spend hours, days, weeks doing a rewrite and never see a dime.


I will not give AS anymore of my time. I stopped adding any more scripts to Amazon Studios, instead -- putting them elsewhere. I have read about twenty scripts from others on AS -- reviewed only 11 on AS due to those I had read did not return the swap favor they promised, (I used Studio Mail and/or their E-mail, directly to prove that I had read their scripts).

My only hope is that while those two scripts of mine are glued on AS (for 18 months) -- I can get those on AS or anywhere else to give them a read, pass them on as examples of what i do AND as a warning that a quality premise or solid writing doesn't mean anything.

Gosh have we two done a 180? If you are into writing, Cameron, give my two scripts a read? Let me know what you think? Start with SOUND. Interested in your comments...
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Quality Premise and Solid Writing do mean something, just to different people.

If they didn't, John August wouldn't still have a job as a working writer.

Amazon Studios is not a barometer for anything quality, what-so-ever. I've read feedback on scripts and the amount of jawing that goes on in those comments is astounding. Like hornets trying to colonize a bee's nest... havin' NO idea how Bee's actually work.
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Just keep in mind, you could spend hours, days, weeks doing a rewrite and never see a dime.


I will not give AS anymore of my time. I stopped adding any more scripts to Amazon Studios, instead -- putting them elsewhere. I have read about twenty scripts from others on AS -- reviewed only 11 on AS due to those I had read did not return the swap favor they promised, (I used Studio Mail and/or their E-mail, directly to prove that I had read their scripts).

My only hope is that while those two scripts of mine are glued on AS (for 18 months) -- I can get those on AS or anywhere else to give them a read, pass them on as examples of what i do AND as a warning that a quality premise or solid writing doesn't mean anything.

Gosh have we two done a 180? If you are into writing, Cameron, give my two scripts a read? Let me know what you think? Start with SOUND. Interested in your comments...
Not sure if I've done a 180, but I guess I figure I'm not giving up much by participating in this contest. I edit quickly (I do it professionally, though not with screenplays), so I figure at most I'll spend around 10 hours working on it (and honestly, if I can't do it in that time, then the script probably isn't worth rewriting in the first place). At worst, I'm out the equivalent of a workday and nothing comes out of it. At best, I get some attention and maybe win some money. Like I said, it's not like I could do anything with the rewritten script anyway, unlike with submitting original material.
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cameronchapman,

Good luck. Let me know how it turns out if you decide to give it a shot?
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Old 07-21-2011, 03:05 PM   #30
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I definitely will. At the moment I'm trying to get it into Celtx, and it's not at all cooperative (lost about 80% of the formatting when it imported, but then again the RTF formatting was pretty wonky to begin with). Maybe in the future Amazon Studios will improve their file format support...
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