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Old 06-06-2010, 09:43 PM   #1
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Law firm will fight illegal downloadin of your movie for free

Anyone pissed that their movie is being GIVEN away on PirateBay? Well now a law firm will file a lawsuit for free on your behalf.

Virginia-based law firm Dunlap, Grubb, & Weaver is filing lawsuits against illegal downloaders.

The enterprising lawyers, under the operative the U.S. Copyright Group, seek out indie filmmakers and offer to sue anonymous movie pirates for no charge. The firm then subpoenas Verizon, AT&T and other ISPs to identify each John Doe user, and threatens to sue each person for $150,000 unless they agree to a $1,500 to $2,500 settlement fee, according to Ars Technica's Law & Disorder blog and Techdirt. Defendants can pony up the cash on a website set up to accept checks and credit cards.

http://www.abajournal.com/weekly/art...2p_prosecution
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:20 AM   #2
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Nothing would make me happier. I will be making a call on Monday! Thanks for the tip!
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:30 AM   #3
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All I can say is AWESOME!

Why don't the major film companies do this? They've got the money.
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:43 AM   #4
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They have started doing it...They dont wanna go down the music industry way...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...f090323c40270a
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Old 06-07-2010, 08:40 PM   #5
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Why don't the major film companies do this? They've got the money.
I don't know. Maybe when it only costs a BUCK to rent a movie, they figure that they're not losing that much money. Although "She's Out of My League" currently has 37,000 seeders and leechers on PB.

I thought photo enforced red light tickets were steep. $1,500 to $2,500 will be a hard pill for illegal DL'ers to swallow.

By the way most ISP's retain IPaddress information for 6 months. Film companies have plenty of time to go after people.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:19 PM   #6
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Interesting.

sonnyboo- How'd it turn out calling them?
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:37 PM   #7
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sonnyboo- How'd it turn out calling them?

They already called me back and we're talking terms and percentages already.

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I thought photo enforced red light tickets were steep. $1,500 to $2,500 will be a hard pill for illegal DL'ers to swallow.
Facing a mandatory copyright violation fine of $150,000 versus $1,500 settlement seems pretty cheap. It's only 1% of the total cost that they will face in court with little to no defense - they are responsible for violating the copyright.

Maybe it will discourage people from illegally downloading movies. Even if it's one person at a time, I have absolutely no problem with suing every single person who has illegally downloaded my feature without paying for it.
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It may discourage a very small % of people and that's it and I highly doubt it will discourage anyone 25 and under. Still going to be interesting to see how this case affects movie DLing.
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:24 AM   #9
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They already called me back and we're talking terms and percentages already.
Cool! I was under the impression that maybe they worked for free and the filmmaker made nothing.
I wonder if they represent intellectual property owners of audio content too.

Do they look to represent people whose property has a lot of "action" on the torrents (torrents with 10's or 100's of seeders and leechers VS torrents with a couple here and there)?
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It may discourage a very small % of people and that's it and I highly doubt it will discourage anyone 25 and under. Still going to be interesting to see how this case affects movie DLing.
If enough people get slapped with $1,500 fees or $150,000 fines, I think it might discourage more people. Especially if the number of law suits keep increasing. If kids under 18 get busted for downloading and their parents have to pay $1,500, this will curb a lot of illegal downloading in the home. For 18-22 year old's at the university get fined by the school for illegal downloads, then it will affect the dorms. 22-25 year old's that start out with a hefty debt, then they might stop doing it.

I can't wait to get my lawsuits started. Yes, this law firm works for free to the filmmakers and they will take the majority of money in (about 70%), but it we're already looking at over 10,000 users in the last year alone with IP addresses they've already identified! They said the biggest cash cow are the university downloads because the colleges all settle right away and are now dinging the students in question or they can't graduate unless they pay the fines.

Sounds to me like the beginning of changes in regulation in concerns with Electronic Theft. It's only the beginning, but hopefully when more and more people are punished for stealing, then others will stop doing it.

Viva La Lawsuit!
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So not trying to be a jerk here but this got me wondering. What becomes more important to you when making movies? Money? Fame? Reputation? End Product? Audience?

I know my answer to this but I would like to know how everyone else feels.
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This could actually be worse for the movie industry and that statement is based on the fact that the music industry has done almost nothing but lose money since all the suing. There was a article I came across a few days ago that go into the loses the music industry has had but I can not for the life of me find it. I will keep trying. If anyone knows the article that I mean please post it, I think the title was THE MUSIC INDUSTRY LOSES THE MOST IN DECAES or it was something very similar to that.

Brooksy- for me it is Rep-Audience-End Product-Fame-Money.

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So not trying to be a jerk here but this got me wondering. What becomes more important to you when making movies? Money? Fame? Reputation? End Product? Audience?
What's important to me is not getting ripped off. If someone wants to cry and complain, then let them all they want. I don't care. Theft is theft. Is it wrong to call the cops if your liquor store is being looted? There's nothing worse than seeing your stuff get stolen before your eyes. PirateBay has been a big party for all the thieves for a few years now. Now, finally a law firm has given indie filmmakers a fighting chance. I'm not gonna spend $10,000 or more fighting DL'ers, so the arrangement that this law firm has is great. This law firm has obviously figured out a system that works and doesn't lose money.

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So not trying to be a jerk here but this got me wondering. What becomes more important to you when making movies? Money? Fame? Reputation? End Product? Audience?
I am driven by the need to watch a story unfold in a dark room with a bunch of strangers watching the flickering lights on a screen. But to tell some stories, you need significant amounts of money to do so. If you do not treat the investment of money seriously, then you do not deserve the money and most likely won't return on that investment.

I make a living making movies. Someone is stealing money directly from my pocket by illegally downloading my movies. There are taking food from me and my families plate by taking something that isn't theirs.
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So not trying to be a jerk here but this got me wondering. What becomes more important to you when making movies? Money? Fame? Reputation? End Product? Audience?
Money.

It's fun to make movies on the side while going to your
day job. I don't have a day job. I can't make money making
movies, I can't make a living.
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