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Old 02-01-2019, 01:48 AM   #31
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I disagree, There are still many extremely fantastic films like the ones you listed, Hollywood studios will more then likely put more money into large franchise films as they are more guaranteed to have a return on investment. The entire system of what movies are nominated and what movies win is completely political and not based on what film is better at all.
saying it isn't the the state of Hollywood and the academy but the fact that movies just aren't as good as the old days is just a cop out.
Instead of just saying, films with those calibers exist today, can you name just 2 or 3 films for each year - 2016, 2017 & 2018?

Again, I agree that to some extent awards may be political but not completely as you say. Last year, not just Oscar, most critics chose Gary Oldman as Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role, Frances McDormand for Best Actress, Coco as Best Animated Feature, Call Me by Your Name as Best Adapted Screenplay, Blade Runner 2049 for Best Cinematography and also in few other categories. If you think Oscar is completely political and these people or movies shouldn't have won, then can you name who should have won in these categories?
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:42 AM   #32
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Again, I agree that to some extent awards may be political
Well thatís the whole point, the most prestigious film award should not be at all mixed with any sorts of politics. You canít mix politics with any form of art and expect to get a good result.
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Old 02-01-2019, 12:16 PM   #33
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Well that’s the whole point, the most prestigious film award should not be at all mixed with any sorts of politics.
In this imperfect world, nothing is going to be perfect.
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Old 02-01-2019, 01:01 PM   #34
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people dont become members of the academy due to any sort of mentality as a criteria.
whether or not you are impartial in your judgement of a great film is irrelevant.

and its members of the academy that vote in the academy awards.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:51 PM   #35
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people dont become members of the academy due to any sort of mentality as a criteria.
whether or not you are impartial in your judgement of a great film is irrelevant.

and its members of the academy that vote in the academy awards.
Still, based on the rewards each year, it seems academy awards is thematically biased towards drama. This mentality should be somehow inhabited by the judges. Otherwise how do u explain the scarsity of some genres like crime or horror each year? Though I admit most of the horror movies these days are crap, we have kickass movies in this genre too ( suspiria, raw,witch..).

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Old 02-01-2019, 03:55 PM   #36
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In this imperfect world, nothing is going to be perfect.
Yes, but you at least expect the most famous film award to be closer to solving this problem than any other film award in the world which obviously isnt the case. At this point cannes is a lot more credible in my opinion.

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Old 02-04-2019, 10:30 AM   #37
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Instead of just saying, films with those calibers exist today, can you name just 2 or 3 films for each year - 2016, 2017 & 2018?
It's kind of hard to list the the best movies from a certain year and have everyone agree that they are on the same
level as cult classics and expecting there to be a ground breaking movie every single year is a little far fetched for me.
but in my opinion the best for those years
2016
Sully, The Nice Guys, Hacksaw Ridge, Manchester by the sea. (slower year in my opinion)
2017
The greatest showmen, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri, Baby Driver, Logan, Dunkirk, and many more
2018
A Quiet place, Annihilation, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, First man, Spiderman into the spiderverse, Vice, Blackkklansman.

I'm not saying that the best films don't make it to the oscars, because they normally have a lot of good ones nominated.


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people dont become members of the academy due to any sort of mentality as a criteria.
whether or not you are impartial in your judgement of a great film is irrelevant.

and its members of the academy that vote in the academy awards.
Exactly as sfoster stated. it isn't a vote of the general audience watching the films, its a selected group of individuals who decide what the best picture of that year was. it's all political, its all people who have their own agenda. its not 100% about the quality of the picture like it should be.
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Old 02-07-2019, 09:28 AM   #38
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I loved Roma, I'll be frankly v disappointed if it doesn't win. Can you imagine if his real life maid shows up at the oscars?! Oscar sentimentality at its very best is within our grasp!
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:03 PM   #39
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I think the Oscars and most awards shows have a political element - how could they not? Art is inherently political and so are those who participate in the various industries and sectors connected to it. There is also visibility - and I think most would agree that the more famous or well-known a film is there would be a lobby geared towards promoting it for consideration.

I thought that Black Panther was a mediocre film, taken on its own merit: the script was weak, and while there were some aspects of the film that were nicely visualized, the generally poor cgi, paint by numbers approach to the plot, plus thematic issues I had with the story left me with the same realization I had when I saw Wonder Woman - some people are going to embrace this film and make it a thing because of its "perceived" advancement of minorities and some idea that the film is a good example of "representation" - neither case holds water.

Since I hated the Last Jedi though, I hoped Black Panther would make a lot of bank - and it did.

Into the Spiderverse - superior to Black Panther in every way.

I wasn't a fan of BlacKkKlansman - it was well made and moderately enjoyable but, I was bored at points.

The Favorite - loved it.

Suspiria - surprised it wasn't nominated. Same with Won't You Be My Neighbor - which beats the brakes off of Black Panther and Vice, which I wasn't too interested in.

A Star is Born - how many times can a film be remade? Bohemian Rhapsody - not a whole lot of innovation. However, I was happy these films got made.

Still trying to catch up with the ones I haven't seen yet.

I can agree Cannes, Venice, Berlin - their juries and audiences respond differently to films, and I've seen a wider variety of films following their awards than the Oscars.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:42 PM   #40
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Yes, but you at least expect the most famous film award to be closer to solving this problem than any other film award in the world which obviously isnt the case.
Why do you expect the Academy to solve this problem?

Film is subjective. Put the two of us in a room and we may find ten
movies released in 2018 that we both agree on. Add sfoster and
peacemaker and the four of us would find it difficult to find five
movies we all think worthy of being the best. Now put around 6,000
people in a room.

I don't think there is a problem that needs to be solved. The Oscar
is a popularity award with a strong aspect of self congratulation and
showing how "important" the people who make films are. And each
year they do exactly that - they nominate movies they think are
important or ones made by people they like. Then never nominate
"the best" because there is no such thing.
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Old 02-07-2019, 04:02 PM   #41
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Film is subjective. Put the two of us in a room and we may find ten
movies released in 2018 that we both agree on. Add sfoster and
peacemaker and the four of us would find it difficult to find five
movies we all think worthy of being the best. Now put around 6,000
people in a room.
Based on this rationale everything is subjective then right? Then I say :"what is the point of film awards?". what do u answer to that? It's entertainment? then why most professionals use these awards as a touchstone to decide what a good movie is? Just buy a ticket and some popcorn and hit the ceremony. Why people give these awards so much credit then?

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I don't think there is a problem that needs to be solved.
I'm sorry but there is a problem to be solved. Academy awards is thematically biased towards drama based on the prevalence of dramas nominated every year and scarcity of some other genres like crime or horror ( I made some examples of some of the good ones earlier). Their agendas are political. Most of the time anything without a humanitarian context is always ignored.

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The Oscar is a popularity award with a strong aspect of self congratulation and
showing how "important" the people who make films are.
Well they are failing really bad in that regard. Underdogs and overlooked jewels don't get appreciated. They are not acknowledging a majority of the talents out there. And they are not showing how "Important" filmmakers are, they are just showing how" important" PEOPLE are (Back to the humanitarian context). Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being humanitarian, I'm just saying if you are only looking for movies with that context, lots of great movies get overlooked and not appreciated.

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"the best" because there is no such thing.
Though I agree it's impossible to pick "the best" movie, but it doesn't at all justify the nominations of mediocre movies. Again saying what you said, how would you react if you saw a movie like "The room" which is considered by the majority of the people as the worst movie ever made, in the Oscars ? would you say even then that because there is not such thing as the best hence this movie's nomination is justified. We may not be able to decide on what is the best, but we can all know what is a "bad" movie. Justifying every undeserved academy award by saying there is no such thing as the best is just ignorant.
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Yikes - take a chill pill. And FYI Directorik's film industry experience exceeds that of 99% of us on this board.
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FYI Directorik's film industry experience exceeds that of 99% of us on this board.
I know that.
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Somehow, could not get myself to watch Bohemian Rhapsody and A Star is Born. Vice seems good with characters but not much with the storyline. Yet to watch Roma
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For what it's (not) worth, I loved Black Panther.

I'm not a super hero fan, and I couldn't tell a DC character from a Marvel character if my life depended on it. But I thought the story was interesting as were the characters, and the actors were terrific.
If you haven't seen Iron Man i strongly recommend it.
The movie was so good it relaunched RDJs career.
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