The Future of Film

I've stopped renting because the store I'd been renting from closed one of the last of its two stores. There are few alternative ones, and they don't hold a lot of appeal for me...Blockbuster, for example. It's sad. I'll miss it. I wish your store could have survived and been a success, DDK.


But I think the brick and mortar places are on their way out, save, perhaps, for crafty places like the one Dreadylocks mentioned, or maybe the family video type stores out there. DDK, I noticed that it was K-mart at issue, not Walmart. I googled it and found out, apparently(?), that Walmart hasn't invaded and conquered Australia, yet. Wow! But, I believe that all of the big boxes like K-mart and Target learned from Walmart's cutthroat tactics. I don't doubt that the greed of the studios' and the distributors' was involved. It's really interesting to hear from someone like you who was on the frontline of what's been happening. But I can't help (cautiously) wondering if maybe it was K-mart who was really the bad guy. From what I've heard -and Walmart was the pioneer in this regard- is that extortion is the M.O. of these stores. A store like K-mart can say, "Hey, Mr. Distributor or Mrs. Supplier, we will buy such-and-such, product from you [in this case the latest dvd releases] and you will sell it to us for fourteen dollars, or else: or else we will punish you buy not buying said product from you. In fact, maybe we'll cut you off and not buy anything from you, at all. See how you like that! Now, give us what we want...or else." Okay, that might not be precisely how dvd purchasing works for these people (:P), but the point is that I don't think we should underestimate the bullying and extortive power of these gianormous stores/corporations.


Fifty dollars a new release dvd? Ouch! I'd be glad if it had helped someone like DDK stay in business, but...damn. I can't afford to buy dvds as it is. Me wouldn't be a happy camper.


I think the real culprit is simply the march of technology along with new businesses utilizing those new technologies and offering ever more convience for patrons. I haven't tried Netflix yet (I don't need another monthly charge on my credit card --and I certainly do not need one on my bank card!), but apparently a whole lot of people have, and they love it. What do you do?


Sorry if this is too off topic here since it's not about film, but this thread reminds me a lot of a bookstore closing in my town lately. You can ask the same questions about the future of books...you know, real books...you know, as in books made out of paper and ink and which you can hold in your hands, etc. Maybe you, too, have a Borders Books in your town. Maybe you have a number of them, if your town is large enough. One of our town's two Borders was one of the stores that recently got the axe.

Here's a nice little article about it, if you're interested in that sort of thing:
http://www.isthmus.com/isthmus/article.php?article=32797

I think that that article is all the more interesting because what the digital age is doing to the video market (seems to me, at least...isn't it?) parallels a lot what it's doing to the book industry. Doesn't it? Sort of? At the very least, both industries are clearly going through pain and contortions as new digital and other technologies emerge. Oh sure, it's really difficult to imagine any near future in which there are no physical books around, being sold and bought, etc. But, are the brick and mortar bookstores, in large part, also an endangered species? Is it too melodramatic of me to suggest a not too distant future in which physical books, new ones, anyways, can only be found, for many of us, in the small book sections at K-mart, Walmart, Target, Best Buy, or our supermarkets? No doubt we will be able to get whatever real book we want mailed to us by Amazon for long into the future. Speaking of Amazon, I've been meaning to check out Amazon's new movie service thingy. Sorry. :(


Come to mention it, let's not forget the significance of Amazon. Wow, it almost seems now like Amazon has been with us for all the ages. I don't mean to knock Amazon. I use Amazon. I like Amazon. But it has to be pretty relevant how Amazon has affected the video and the book industries, including what's become of them presently as well as what their futures hold.


The question of the future of movie theaters is really interesting. Maybe it's true that they'll have to offer attractive extras or have unique character like Dreadylocks's video rental store or like aceofspade70's and sonnyboo's ideas. We happen to have one of Robert Redford's Sundance Theaters here. Godbless him. It's cool that he chose this town. It is a nice place. The theaters are nice. The seats are pretty comfortable, etc. There are amenities like alcohol served and a restaurant upstairs. Its mission, I think!, is to offer the community a more diverse indie, foriegn film, and art house selection of movies. But, you pay a premium to enjoy these things. I guess the idea was that they'd be reaching the well educated, professional, and affluent university crowd in the area. It's a good idea. I don't know how well it's been working out for them. The thing is, though, it was the Marcus chain that had previously offered those kinds of film choices for a more reasonable price in a nearby shopping mall (as well as there being a couple or a few screens run by the mall Sundance took over). It was too old. It needed more space and renovation. It needed to be modernized. Sundance did do that. But the downside is that their lofty niche market approach doesn't seem to have much to do with any kind of egalitarian spreading of more film diversity and culture. You have to be able to afford it. Plus, they don't have nearly as many showtime options as the chains. Well, that's not to knock it, exactly. It is what it is.

Anyways, whether I live only one more day or another few decades, it's difficult to imagine all theaters disappearing...though, not beyond imagining, either. =D
 
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I think that that article is all the more interesting because what the digital age is doing to the video market (seems to me, at least...isn't it?) parallels a lot what it's doing to the book industry. Doesn't it? Sort of? At the very least, both industries are clearly going through pain and contortions as new digital and other technologies emerge. Oh sure, it's really difficult to imagine any near future in which there are no physical books around, being sold and bought, etc. But, are the brick and mortar bookstores, in large part, also an endangered species? Is it too melodramatic of me to suggest a not too distant future in which physical books, new ones, anyways, can only be found, for many of us, in the small book sections at K-mart, Walmart, Target, Best Buy, or our supermarkets? No doubt we will be able to get whatever real book we want mailed to us by Amazon for long into the future. Speaking of Amazon, I've been meaning to check out Amazon's new movie service thingy. Sorry. :(

True, the digital age is changing the video market. Every couple of years there's a new format and a new piece of hardware, and it's starting to look like only the rich or obsessive can keep up. Of course there's downloads as well. But I think books are a different thing- video technology has been around for hardly any time at all in comparison, books are ancient, and they're still a staple when it comes to education and research.

An unfortunate amount of people don't read books like they should, but they all seem to feel guilty about it and think that they should read more.

I think that the only thing that is changing really is the media of popular culture, like from DVD to Blu-ray and downloads, and part of that change is from books to new technology. But it's only really that popular section out of the whole broad range of books that's changing so fast. If anything, libraries and bookshops can get what people have wanted for a while- to be able to specialise and focus on finding the exciting things for customers. I should be able to wander into a book market, ask for a book of piano works by Glazunov and have someone sell it to me rather than waiting for ages, looking for it myself and giving up because there are too many people buying blockbuster novels.

You are right though, it is worrying that bookstores might be endangered, because after all, it all comes down to money. Even if the big booksellers aren't worried at the moment, the little privately owned ones are probably sitting in a puddle of their own wee as they're watching the decrease of interest in books riding past their shop window on the back of the recession.
 
The prediction model is what has happened to most music artists..
Movies will be distributed at will, like Mp3's. Now music artists have to tour to cover expenses. Movie makers will have to rely on delivering unique content on a personal basis to survive.

Old school advertising budgets will be cut and promotion will happen through twitter and facebook and movie rating pages. People will not fall for commercials. Advertisers will pay people to flood facebook and rating sites with faux information.

We will see more directors taking Kevin Smiths recent approach. In the future we will be attending the theater to see the director, cast and crew.. Not only can we see the traditional theater experience, but we will be able to see premium experiences with the Director, or producer for 50-75 a ticket.

First night movies releases will be streamed directly to the living room for $25.

Theaters themselves, will suffer. As home theaters compete to have better sound and clarity, They will start offering more services, food, giftshops, and theaters designed with stages will make a surge. We will see the Movie theater evolve into a film based event center.

That sounds about right to me.

I miss video stores to a certain degree. I believe Richmond VA's Fan Video is still in business though.

In the end though it's impossible to predict right down to the letter what's going to happen. We can guess and wind up being right to a certain degree, but I don't believe everything is set in stone. Things change. Things come out of nowhere. It should be an interesting (and perhaps somewhat depressing) ride at any rate.
 
Theaters themselves, will suffer. As home theaters compete to have better sound and clarity, They will start offering more services, food, giftshops, and theaters designed with stages will make a surge. We will see the Movie theater evolve into a film based event center.

I have heard others suggest this idea-to make the filmgoing an "experience". I know you have places know what have videogames and food and gift, but the stages, and different types of entertainment-the idea that going to "the movies" might be a 2-3 hour experience- 90 minutes for the film and other entertainments helping to increase the experience. I'd love to see film shorts come back as part of the deal, sort of a "appetizer" before the main attraction (I always loved how Pixar had a little short before their feature-added to it, and often were lighthearted enough they got the audience in the "mood" for the main pic.)

Be interesting to see where that goes
 
D@mn.
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined
Shoulda bought Netflix stock at the beginning of the year.


I don't know nothin'.
I'm just spitball guessing from some better than armchair economics amateur POV by thinking of a similar economic situation that parallels something close to the studio/DVD vs. Netflix model.

Begin with some basic biology: Nothing lives forever. Entire species die out. Go extinct.
Why?
Their environment changed faster than they could adapt.
The more specialized the critter to it's environment the faster it died out.
What survived best? Critters that specialized in generalizing. Ha! Ants, roaches, dragonflies, sharks, hominids.
Same today.

At the beginning of the 20th century ferrymen, owning the land rights on both sides of a river, were legally able to generate revenue by charging travelers a fee to use their ferry service, much akin to the bricks and mortar store charged to rent DVDs and VHS tapes.

In both cases, the local municipalities benefited from the tax revenue generated.

However, back to the ferryman scenario, local business owners would grieve to city council members about the expense ferrymen charged for goods transportation and the adverse economic impact they created for the municipality and soon enough taxes were increased to pay transportation engineers (computer geeks) to build bridges (Netflix) allowing commoditized public transportation and goods (film) to bypass the ferrymen (bricks and mortar DVD renters) whom were quite upset but helpless to do anything about it.

It's all coming by wire eventually. Save your "library" on servers in India.

Five bucks says in ten or fifteen years every home in the industrialized world will have room sized 3DTVs.

Your entertainment will be commoditized as a monthly service like a utility payment (Gah! Already there!) and some provider service computer will track your viewing habits (which may vary from your stated interests) and count the picoseconds you spend lingering on the commercials with breasts or fast cars to allocate your entertainment package accordingly.
Kinda like your computer already does.

God save us if "to increase your entertainment experience" our retinas can be scanned as we watch.

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Does Netflix or anyone have a "Indie" dedicated venue to provide indie content to an increasingly fragmented audience over the internet?
Because, frankly, that's the future outside of huge metropolitan areas with sufficient population base to financially support a "specialty" business like displaying indie films on the big screen.
 
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As a small-budget independent filmmaker I "resist" NetFlix (and RedBox) because they screw small-budget independent filmmakers out of their royalties, that's why. While I realize that brick-and-mortar stores don't pay royalties to filmmakers, either, they also don't serve the entire country (world?) with only a few copies of a movie.

Plus, like Josiah, I enjoy browsing the shelves and reading box covers for movies I've never even heard of.

Also like Josiah mentioned, the young lady manning the checkout counter is much nicer to interact with than my cold computer monitor. :yes:

I agree with you 2001. Filmmakers constantly get screwed out of royalties somehow. I contacted Red Box and they said they don't even take Indy films. And I heard from several that Netflix doesn't even pay royalties.

Seems like all distributors feed off of us because they know we want to get our movies out there.

There has to be a way to get our stuff out there.
 
How much or by what factor or standard deviation would you guys say the studios or the public marginalizes independent film product as a whole as being frankly X much better than fan fiction?

How something "is" and how it's perceived or (worse) marketed is often different.

"Studios really put the boot to indy throats" or "Suzie Qeue movie watcher doesn't really care or know what indy product is"?
What?
 
At the beginning of the 20th century ferrymen, owning the land rights on both sides of a river, were legally able to generate revenue by charging travelers a fee to use their ferry service, much akin to the bricks and mortar store charged to rent DVDs and VHS tapes.

In both cases, the local municipalities benefited from the tax revenue generated.

However, back to the ferryman scenario, local business owners would grieve to city council members about the expense ferrymen charged for goods transportation and the adverse economic impact they created for the municipality and soon enough taxes were increased to pay transportation engineers (computer geeks) to build bridges (Netflix) allowing commoditized public transportation and goods (film) to bypass the ferrymen (bricks and mortar DVD renters) whom were quite upset but helpless to do anything about it.

Except your analogy doesn't factor in the cost of producing the product. The ferryman/bridge builder doesn't have to constantly produce new land. They just get the people from one side to the other via the same old land. That's all well and good if you're just talking about existing product, but content doesn't make itself. If we want new movies they have to be paid for one way or another. Either there has to be a realistic distribution option for non-studio product, or we can all just watch Avatar over and over and over. Maybe that's fine for some people - maybe even for most people - but some of us like a little spice in our lives every now and again.
 
Rayw,

It's all coming by wire eventually. Save your "library" on servers in India.

Five bucks says in ten or fifteen years every home in the industrialized world will have room sized 3DTVs.

Your entertainment will be commoditized as a monthly service like a utility payment (Gah! Already there!) and some provider service computer will track your viewing habits (which may vary from your stated interests) and count the picoseconds you spend lingering on the commercials with breasts or fast cars to allocate your entertainment package accordingly.
Kinda like your computer already does.

God save us if "to increase your entertainment experience" our retinas can be scanned as we watch.


Woh, interesting predictions.
 
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