I thank you for the positive comments, Loyfilms, however...
...I do not agree with this.
Knowing why something didn't work is far more valuable than just knowing that it didn't.
A few people above mentioned that they felt the actors delivered the dialogue in a "flat" and "stilted" fashion. That's something I can then look at. As it turns out, I agree with their judgement. Since both actors are coming by today to ADR anyway, I've been able to talk to them and give them a chance to rehearse a few variations of the take. I have been able to fix a problem.
A few other people mentioned that they felt the acting was coming across as stiff, with the long pauses I had them take. Once again, that is something I can work with. I was able to look at what they were talking about and make any changes based on their feedback. As it happens, I also agreed that (while it seemed a good idea at the time) the pauses were far too long and handicapping the actors. A few timeline edits in Premiere and I had improved the situation... with the new cut uploaded for a new assessment.
Those are two examples from this thread alone, where boardmembers have been generous enough to say what they did not like... and why. In both situations I have been able to make improvements, since I then knew exactly what they were talking about.
It's a lot more difficult to do the same with generic, blanket statements. Clearly you think the actors blow... but why? Is it something I can fix in an edit? Does one of them have bad breath? Are they ugly? They should have been speaking in French accents, whilst wearing berets?
Maybe it's not even the actors themselves, and it's director himself who needs a suggestion on how to have made it work better? (This is actually a possibility, as they delieverd it all pretty much spot-on as how I wanted them to do it)
Even if it's not something I can fix with an edit this time around, just knowing what to keep an eye out for next time around is invaluable in itself.
After all, this is a filmmaking board... not some 'net entertainment portal like IFilm, or the like. If you have to get a little "eloquent" in why the actors didn't work, I would hope you would do so. It's certainly something I would read and consider... I've already demonstrated that I listen to what my peers have to say, and have made decisions about re-edits based upon their input.
Even better than breaking down the "why they didn't work" into details, is possibly offering a different take on how it might have worked.
Anyways, I've rambled on long enough.
Cheers,
Steve.
constructive criticism should only be given where it's due
...I do not agree with this.
Knowing why something didn't work is far more valuable than just knowing that it didn't.
A few people above mentioned that they felt the actors delivered the dialogue in a "flat" and "stilted" fashion. That's something I can then look at. As it turns out, I agree with their judgement. Since both actors are coming by today to ADR anyway, I've been able to talk to them and give them a chance to rehearse a few variations of the take. I have been able to fix a problem.
A few other people mentioned that they felt the acting was coming across as stiff, with the long pauses I had them take. Once again, that is something I can work with. I was able to look at what they were talking about and make any changes based on their feedback. As it happens, I also agreed that (while it seemed a good idea at the time) the pauses were far too long and handicapping the actors. A few timeline edits in Premiere and I had improved the situation... with the new cut uploaded for a new assessment.
Those are two examples from this thread alone, where boardmembers have been generous enough to say what they did not like... and why. In both situations I have been able to make improvements, since I then knew exactly what they were talking about.
It's a lot more difficult to do the same with generic, blanket statements. Clearly you think the actors blow... but why? Is it something I can fix in an edit? Does one of them have bad breath? Are they ugly? They should have been speaking in French accents, whilst wearing berets?
Maybe it's not even the actors themselves, and it's director himself who needs a suggestion on how to have made it work better? (This is actually a possibility, as they delieverd it all pretty much spot-on as how I wanted them to do it)
Even if it's not something I can fix with an edit this time around, just knowing what to keep an eye out for next time around is invaluable in itself.
After all, this is a filmmaking board... not some 'net entertainment portal like IFilm, or the like. If you have to get a little "eloquent" in why the actors didn't work, I would hope you would do so. It's certainly something I would read and consider... I've already demonstrated that I listen to what my peers have to say, and have made decisions about re-edits based upon their input.
Even better than breaking down the "why they didn't work" into details, is possibly offering a different take on how it might have worked.
Anyways, I've rambled on long enough.
Cheers,
Steve.