600d or nikon d7000

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compul

Hey,

I'm planing to buy my first dslr as soon as possible, and I'm discussing a lot with my parents lately. Both of them are oldschool Nikon fans, swear on the mechanical quality of the nikons (they say they don't break), and also would have quite a few (fixed width) lenses to share with me (not sure to which extend though, since I live 12000km from them).
Both the Canon 600d and the Nikon d7000 are pretty much the only ones (?) in range of my current budget.
Everywhere I look for Indie film making cameras people seem to use Canon over Nikon for some features it has, but it always seems very vague.

I did see that Magic Lantern is Canon only, as well as the technicolor cinestyle profile are canon only, both pretty handy for Indie film making.

But apart from that: are there reasons why I would want to choose the 600d over the d7000 (or the other way around), and if so what are they?

Since I might have a few decent Nikkor lenses to my disposal (but I also could use them on a Canon with an adapter?), what would your ultimate suggestion be? d7000 or 600d?

Thanks a heap!

compul

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the available nikkor lenses are (copy and paste from my dads mail):

MF (Ai andAiS)
180/2.8
135/2.8
105/2,5
85/2.0
50/2.0
28/3.5
20/4
Teleconverter 201 /focal lengthx2)
Fisheye-Converter

AF
70-210
28-70
18-55
 
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I shoot a D5100, wish I had gotten the D7000. I've used the D7000 quite a few times and it's a wonderful camera, an absolutely superb machine. I can't speak to the comparison between the two, but the D7000 is a camera you can never go wrong getting. No one will ever say "oh, you got the D7000? Man you screwed up."

The D5100 is another story.. jk it's ok, but no d7000.
 
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I read something about Nikons only shooting in JPG, which is supposed to be not so nice in quality?

Is it possible to record raw with the d7000? (I love the raw examples I can see from the ML hacks.)

Also, the d7000 can only record 24fps at 1080p, right?
 
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Hi compul - have you considered the Nikon D5200? Should cost about the same or less than the D7000, allow you to use your father's lenses and avoid the 600D/D7000 moire problem, seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyDZxopPEo

...and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h1Ds-AAjUg

The D5200, like the Panasonic GH2, is resistant to moire. See this roofline example from the D5200 - note the lack of colored bands seen in the D7000 video:

http://vimeo.com/58959901

On your JPG question - JPG is a still image format. Both Nikons and Canons shoot JPG and RAW stills. For video, both shoot h.264 .mov

ML has indeed come up with a way to shoot RAW video with APS-C sensor cameras such as the 600D, but, as of now, the results are quite limited in terms of duration and resolution.

Cheers,

Bill
 
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thanks bill,

I am aware that jpg is a picture format. I read that Nikon records video in Motion JPG. That post is two years old though. Good to hear that both use h.264 how.

And no, I hadn't thought about the d5200 yet. It's about 200EUR above the two others though. When I looked around for low-priced cameras for filming, everyone just always seemed to scream t3i / 600d.

Reading about the d5200 I see that there is no moire or aliasing which is awesome, but the noise in video is supposed to be terrible. Do you have any experiences with that?

Noise looks horrible here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpG2NmOUYL8
 
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I would say Canon. The 600D is great camera. I have the 60D which is almost identical to the 600d. You will see the flippy-floppy sviwely lcd screen quite beneficial when you're shooting from difficult angles. And also Magic Lantern is almost a must (for me at least)

Some reasons to pick the 600D over d7000:
- Canon can shoot 60fps
- Nikon can only shoot 1920x1080 at 24fps, Canon can shoot both 24 and 30fps.
- Higher res lcd screen (not that it matters much)
- Flip-out lcd screen
- More megapixels (if you're thinking about taking some pictures)
- Higher video quality and somre more features.
- Cheaper.

And you can buy those beast L lenses and slap them on and get some sweet quality videos.
 
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compul said:
thanks bill,

I am aware that jpg is a picture format. I read that Nikon records video in Motion JPG. That post is two years old though. Good to hear that both use h.264 how.

And no, I hadn't thought about the d5200 yet. It's about 200EUR above the two others though. When I looked around for low-priced cameras for filming, everyone just always seemed to scream t3i / 600d.

Reading about the d5200 I see that there is no moire or aliasing which is awesome, but the noise in video is supposed to be terrible. Do you have any experiences with that?

Noise looks horrible here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpG2NmOUYL8
Click to expand...

Hi compul - sorry I misunderstood your question on MJPEG.

I don't know what Fenchel and Janisch were doing, but here is how the D5200 should look at high ISO:

http://vimeo.com/59832019

Very little noise, and it clearly outperforms the much more expensive Panasonic GH3 (the camera I own :)).

Please read Andrew Reid's entire D5200 review here: http://www.eoshd.com/content/9653/nikon-d5200-review

To quote Andrew:

"...the best selling DSLRs for video – the 7D, 60D and 650D – are firmly out-performed by the Nikon D5200."

And yes, it is 200€ more than the 600D, but it is less than a 734€ body-only D7000.

Until the Panasonic G6 comes out, the 699€ (w kit lens) D5200 is the best video-capable large sensor interchangeable lens camera in its price range.


Cheers,

Bill

P.S. Euros? I thought you were in Taiwan?
 
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@Bill: Thanks for the information! I will definately consider the d5200. The only thing that still irritates me a bit is magic lantern, the cinestyle profile and just the apparently bigger canon community concerning film only. Do you have anything to say to ease that? Also using a flat profile seems to cause problems andrew sais, and the rolling shutter issue seems to be a little more concerning than on the canon. No 60fps mode. But then again, the image is just nicer. Ah that's just hard !
Also, yes, I am in Taiwan, but will be getting to Germany for the summer. Also that's where I'm from, so I'm used to counting in Euros ;).

@Nicwillu: Thanks for your opinion and the list :)
 
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Hi compul - in my view, the image quality of the camera you are shooting with is more important than how many people use any particular brand of camera.

Here is a shootout between the D5200 and the much more expensive 5D Mark III:

http://vimeo.com/60135187

And here is the blog post with the settings Andrew used: http://www.eoshd.com/content/9713/nikon-d5200-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii

Conclusion: "For $2300 less than the 5D Mark III, Nikon buyers are getting virtually the same video quality but with the advantage of an articulated screen and full 1080p HDMI output."

For me, the conclusion is - get the best camera for your money - not the most popular :)

Cheers and good luck,

Bill
 
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