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Old 06-24-2018, 09:41 PM   #16
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I just don't see the incentive for the donor
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:12 AM   #17
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Now I've done crowdfunding before and have showed that I do keep my promises and work on what I said I do. If I were to just keep the money for myself and buy something else then I can never crowdfund again I'd be blacklisted.
With all due respect, I don't see how this could possibly result in a new computer... common sense sorta dictates that this isn't really how crowdfunding works, exactly. Let me ask, have you successfully crowdfunded anything in the past? If so, what was it?

I'm also someone of limited means, and someone who's really struggled (in more ways than one). With that said, I think the other people here are giving you solid advice, and in one way or another, trying to say the same thing as me... there isn't any logical reason for people to give you money for something you really should earn yourself.

I know how hard it can be to find a job. I was REALLY struggling about 10 years ago, so I moved 2,467 miles (across an ocean) to a place with a better job market. Financially, spiritually, and emotionally, it was the best decision I ever made. I know it can seem daunting, frustrating, and overwhelming when you are without options... but sometimes you have to make big sacrifices and take even bigger risks.

There's a saying that goes "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". So, you don't have a job? Make one... charge for services of some kind. If you can't do anything of value, then learn a skill that is valuable. Unfortunately, at our level, "the arts" really aren't as valuable to the rest of the world as we'd like them to be, and that's why most people have day jobs. If you really want to make your dreams a reality in the arts, it's (IMO) necessary to have a steady stream of income FIRST. If not, you're really doing yourself a disservice and essentially playing the lottery.

If you're really convinced that crowdfunding is the way to achieve your goal, maybe you should look at what makes other campaigns successful, and emulate them? Like Mussonman said in his post, where is the incentive for the people giving you money? People don't really just give away hard earned funds to a stranger, on the promise of a dream... not in this day and age. It would seem to me, that you need to create something AMAZING first, and then entice people with that. Offer something exciting, real, and concrete as proof that you are worth donating to. It's almost like you're trying to catch a fish without any bait.

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Old 06-25-2018, 07:01 AM   #18
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Yes I crowdfunded before and made a feature animation here - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...m-deep-meaning
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If no one wants to give me anything that's fine but saying I give up too easy while I still try hard it's something not nice to say.

I did have a job and that was my animations and film but now I that I don't have a pc I can't do anything.

What I'm giving away now is a free link to stream my feature and the promise to return the favour by creating something for them. It's a promise and if I don't do it I look bad.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:41 AM   #19
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I did have a job and that was my animations and film but now I that I don't have a pc I can't do anything.

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Do you know your cost of doing business?
If that was your job but your computer broke down with no money to replaceit, you didn't really make (enough) money with it.
Make sure you know your numbers, otherwise you'll be in the same situation again and again.
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:07 PM   #20
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Have you considered sales work at a local store? Maybe a job in a consumer electronics store? You may end up getting an employee discount for a new computer to that way. Years ago, I worked with a professional photographer in the camera department of a department store who wasn't making enough money in his photography business where he needed supplementary income to keep going.
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:00 PM   #21
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Maybe he lives on Craggy Island.

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Old 06-25-2018, 01:01 PM   #22
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Honestly you're better off with a black marker + cardboard sign and begging at a traffic light.
You can make people feel uncomfortable and they'll give you money to walk away to the next car.

Good luck!!
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:02 PM   #23
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Oh man here comes the gofundme for markers...
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:30 PM   #24
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I'm sympathetic, Alan. It's frustrating; asking for money and getting
employment advice. It's to be expected, though.

I remember living in a small town and looking for work when there
just wasn't any. People (even my parents) didn't understand. I can
only imagine how difficult it must be in a small town in Ireland. I
suspect not many retail stores in the area are hiring, not a lot of
electronics stores close by.

I had to move to a larger city to get work. Many people can't do even
that.

I know my sympathy doesn't help you get a new computer. Are you
asking anywhere else? Seems IT with fellow, struggling filmmakers
is not the best place to get donations.
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:37 PM   #25
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My IndieGoGo worked out because I had perks and they equated to better than a retail purchase, for example, donate $10 and get our CD before anyone else, $20 and it is signed, and stickers, or whatever. Kickstarter works really well for gadgets, as in, get the new gadget before anyone else and get a free accessory, and at a lesser price than when it hits market etc. I'm afraid just needing a computer, your target audience is friends and family, and you may have already hit them up on your last campaign.
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:40 PM   #26
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I'm sympathetic, Alan. It's frustrating; asking for money and getting
employment advice. It's to be expected, though.

I remember living in a small town and looking for work when there
just wasn't any. People (even my parents) didn't understand. I can
only imagine how difficult it must be in a small town in Ireland. I
suspect not many retail stores in the area are hiring, not a lot of
electronics stores close by.

I had to move to a larger city to get work. Many people can't do even
that.

I know my sympathy doesn't help you get a new computer. Are you
asking anywhere else? Seems IT with fellow, struggling filmmakers
is not the best place to get donations.
Thanks for your words, I'm actually going to deactivate the gofundme and do a Kickstarter instead, there's just no rewards or anything to give with a gofundme and I'd like to give something in return.

Now I am offering to show people a preview of what I have done so far for the upcoming campaign and if you'd like to take a look and offer criticism and thoughts I'd be happy to message it over to you.
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:40 PM   #27
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PS. I need a new computer too. The fan revs and it freezes any time I try to do something. And it is too old to accept the latest Creator's Update of Win 10, so it will try to update and freeze at 70% and I have to restart so it reverts. I had to work some magic to get it to stop updates which also means my PC is not secure because I cannot get security updates.

Misery loves company.
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Old 06-25-2018, 03:05 PM   #28
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I need a new computer too. It's nearly impossible to animate on a 10+ year old potato
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Old 06-25-2018, 03:10 PM   #29
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after wanting a new computer for years i finally got one and it still can't run resolve..
talk about frustrating. there is a paranoid delusion in the back of my head that resolve doesn't work for anyone and it's all a big conspiracy. i've literally never seen it do anything but crash.
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Old 06-25-2018, 03:12 PM   #30
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And the irony of that software's name...
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