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seeking funding for ultra low budget horror

I'm not saying we can't ask questions of chitty (and I mentioned that the lack of answers is disturbing); on the contrary. I would have a question or two myself before investing. And just so you know, directorik & CootDog, my comments were not directed at you two.

Poke
 
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Director, I didn't know you were an investor. I'll be shooting you an email soon. :cool:

Please don't hate me chitty for writing him. :no: :)
I won't hate you, but I get a producer credit in whatever film he may fund! :haha:
 
directorik said:
An excellent point.

Though so far, it seems to me most questions directed at chitty are legit and respectful. When responding to an anonymous person asking for money, one must be cautious. When asking people for money on a message board, one must expect cautious - even suspicious - questions.

I agree, and I am not offended.


Since chitty came to these boards and on one day asked for movies to distribute and for money for his own movies and then didn't answer legit questions posed, I think a little more suspicion is understandable.

I answered those questions to someone, though I think maybe I replied from my email account instead of posting to the board, so they may not have gotten to the right people, so sorry about that.
I can answer any questions people may have. and I understand one being apprehensive about an investor approaching them in a message board.
If anyone has any questions, please feel free to send me an email, as I do not get to the board all that often. That will be much easier for me to respond.

Thanks everyone for all the comments and interest, and again, feel free to email me personally with quetions. :director:
 
Sometimes the question contains it's own answer

My company has long term plans to go into distribution. In about five to eight years time. This is part of a long term business strategy, which is clearly laid out in our 48 page business plan.

We have already shot and, as anyone reading my online diary will know, are currently completing our first feature film "No Place." We have our second feature "Hellhole" in pre-production right now.

Prior to making these films we spent seven years making shorts, winning awards and studying the business side of the business.

The reason I'm telling you this, is so that you understand why you are getting so much flack for your proposition.

When you ask for people to invest in your project, they need to understand that you have the business and film making skills to ensure that they'll get a return on that investment.

Anybody can claim to set up a distribution company, but without the understanding of the business to back that up why should a filmmaker distribute via you?

The same is true of the film project. Without evidence of your project's commercial potential and your ability to deliver on it, why should people react anyway but with suspicion?

The thing I think about when reading your post is "Would I let anyone with such poor pitching/selling technique distribute my film?" The answer has to be no. I think it's significant that the people giving you the hardest time about this are directorix and Logan L, both people who I personally rate as the most commercially aware members of the forum.

It is good to have ambitions. There is a market for low-budget indie horror, but to fulfil those ambitions you may need to take a step back and take stock of your current skills and abilities. This is a good forum in which to develop those skills. So please take this criticism in the spirit it is intended. That of a welcome to the place, where in time you maybe able to fulfil your ambitions.
 
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An update:

Chitty did email me. He has a start date (Oct. 1) and the cast and crew from his previous movies. But as of his email, no finished script and no written budget.

He has completed at least two movies and his current one sounds pretty good. He sounds like an ambitious guy.

But as clive is pointing out, it takes a lot more than ambition.
 
Distribution

CootDog]Haha... So how can you pay me to distribute my films if you don't even have a hundres dollars?

I have a good connection that will print dvd's very inexpensively.
i do not have any cash right now, which will change soon, and that is why I am launching the company in late fall/early winter and not now.

How can you promote my film if you have no money?

I will take out ads and banners on various websites, have the film reviewed on various horror film sites, send press releases to horror film related sites and magazines such as FANGORI and VARIETY, arrange screenings at horror film conventions such as the CHILLER CONVENTION and FLASHBACK weekend, and otherwise just do a grassroots underground guerilla marketing job on the films, assuming that most people interested in seeing very low budget films are also on the internet a lot.
I also have a web site currently in the development stages (now put on hold for this film shoot and pre-production) which I will aggressively promote on the net, and may also swing a sub-distribution deal with TEMPE VIDEO.


What experience do you have with distribution?

I have no experience per-say, but I do have aquizitions contacts at HOLLYWOOD VIDEO, BLOCKUSTER, BEST BUY, SUNCOAST VIDEO, ROGERS VIDEO and MOVIE GALLERY and plan to send screeners to all of the above companies for possible sales.

I am a film maker who knows that a lot of great little movies never get distributed.
I realize that there is a market for those films, but that someone who cares about indie film and the "little guy" needs to be in charge of the distribution.


What is your territory?

North America

When do you expect to launch this company?

Late Fall early winter


Are you planning on self-distributing your 2 films, which are in post?

Yes, though they are shorter than feature length, but long for a short, so I have not decided how to package them yet.

the film I am getting ready to shoot, I hope to distribute, but that may change, as there is another investor involved, so... but I would like to distribute it myself.

Are you planning to use the money made from the 2 films as seed money for the distro company?

Yes.

What can you offer us so we will want to go with you insteat of someone else?

I car about indie film, and indie horror in particular.
I will sell DVD's out of the trunks of cars if I need to .
I'm in this to get little movies out, and do something that no one else is doing for the indie film community.
If you can get a distro deal with somebody big, by all means go ahead, and good luck, but the fact is, a lot of good indies are shot on dv and teh majors won't even look at.

I may not be able to get as many out as Mirimax, or Artisan, but they won't even consider a movie if it isn;t "marketable", and I know anythng is marketable, if marketed to the right audience.

It may be a while before the comapany is up and running, but I am trying to aquire films for that time.

Does that answer everyone's questions?
Please know that I will be away from the board for a while for pre-production and production of ROADKILL in OCT.

Also, for the record, I am not using the actors from my previous movie, one of my actors is AD, one of them may co-produce, etc. None of the actors are from my previous films, they are all upcoming actors or models
looking to make it in the film industry.
One has finished the first season of a sitcom, the others have done film work before.

Thank you Directorik though, for saying that HACKS (I believe that is the one) sounds pretty good.

And I did have a basic budget written, but nothing is set in stone, because I have no idea how much money I will be working with. That budget is all relative to what I can get, as all teh actors are working for screen credit.

I also got the final pages of the script from my co-writer and completed them a few days after that post.

That is all for now.
 
Guys

Anyone who looks into the global film market, will tell you that one of the most profitable forms of indie film making, apart from porn, is low budget horror. There are any number of reasons for this. It's a genre where you don't need a name cast, you don't need good production values, you don't even need much of a script and you'll still get an audience.

For any half decent horror production there is a market. A market serviced by already established distributors and sales agents.

Providing you've got your production completed to a professional standard. i.e. it's within broadcast tolerances, you've got all of your legal work tied up so you can show that you own the copyright to the script, have legal ownership of the performances, music etc, there is no reason at all why you shouldn't get sales in the international market place.

This is not about the sales of individual DVD's, but about the sale of the rights to broadcast your film in foreign or domestic markets, the right to reproduce and distribute thousands of copies of your DVD, of securing sales into global rental outlets.

The global marketing of an unknown film is a complicated business and is more about understanding the relationship between sales festivals, sales agents and distributors, than it is about printing DVD's.

There is a place for DIY indie distribution. Set up the website, do the round of the forums and then sell your film direct via mail order. I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but even if it isn't, there is as much difference between this approach and professional film sales/distribution as there is between a Super 8-mm film camera and a Panasonic DVC Pro 50 with progressive scan.

Distribution is one of the most complicated areas of film making and one of the most important. It's too important an issue in any filmmaker's career progression to put in the hands of anyone who doesn't know their way around the business.
 
My personal problem in this area is inexperience. I have a completed feature. I have good reviews from Film Threat and Creature Corner. It's been shown in front of a paying audience. But other than selling a few home made copies myself, it's been seen by very few people. I've sent several screeners to distributors, but I know I'm not doing nearly as much as I could to get it out there. When I see posts like Chitty, it's very tempting to make a deal with him, simply because I'm frustrated and want my film to be seen. At this point I'd be happy to break even and just get the movie seen. I hate feeling so desperate, and ignorant about the "process".
 
My personal problem in this area is inexperience. I have a completed feature. I have good reviews from Film Threat and Creature Corner. It's been shown in front of a paying audience. But other than selling a few home made copies myself, it's been seen by very few people. I've sent several screeners to distributors, but I know I'm not doing nearly as much as I could to get it out there. When I see posts like Chitty, it's very tempting to make a deal with him, simply because I'm frustrated and want my film to be seen. At this point I'd be happy to break even and just get the movie seen. I hate feeling so desperate, and ignorant about the "process".

How many sales agents have you sent the film out to or are you just targeting distributors?
Have you been putting the film into the festivals that sales agents attend and if your have, did you actively market the film to those guys?

The trick here is to identify which sales agents handle the kind of film you make. The only way to do this is to get to the major festivals and network, and also to get on the phone and talk to sales agents before sending your film out. That way you know what kind of films they take and how they like them packaged.

The other thing is, what format did you shoot your feature on? Most distributors and sales agent automatically reject anything shot on mini-dv, dv-cam or any of the other low end digital formats. Some won't even touch films shot on formats like Digi-beta, except for direct to TV.

At a major festival like Cannes, they produce a book which lists all of the attending companies, what they do and who the key contacts are. This kind of information is starting place for getting distribution.

The interesting part of this process is the bit where you discover that in order to sell your film there are a whole lot of things you should have done in production.

A sales agent is going to ask you:
a) How big was your budget? (Anything less than $250,000 and you are going to need a fantastic sales hook)
b) Is there anyone in it I've heard of ?
c) What format was it shot on? (Anything less than High Def and interest will wain)
d) Has it won any awards?
e) Are all your contracts in place? a sales agent won't touch a film that may run into legal problems further along the line.

Before speaking to the sales agent, you need to know why it is that your films is going to do good business for them?

So if your sales story is "Hey, we did this under $1 million picture but Nicole Kidman loved the script so much she came out and worked for free" then you chances of distribution are pretty high. A sales agent can sell that picture.

If your story is that you spent $500,000 shooting a film on High Def after winning several awards as a filmmaker and you have a really beautiful film to show them, then again, they can do business on it.

However, if you have low format, no name film, on which you spend under $250,000 they you need to create a buzz about the film, so that you've got something to sell. If you can demonstrate that your film's website get 35,000 hits a day, you've got a strong case for selling your film.

The key is in understanding what is it about your film that will make people want to buy it/rent it/watch it.

The great thing with low budget horror is that the budget, names, format issues are often put to one side provided that the film hangs together and has a good enough hook to drag in the punters. Most of the really famous cult horror films were dreadful pieces of work that would died on their asses in any other genre.

Going to an inexperienced, direct to DVD distributor should always be the last port of call for any film maker. However, I really believe that even before going into production, a clear idea of where the film is going to get sold, for how much and why it's going to sell, is the most important discussion to have.
 
Excellent post clive.

I have corresponded with chitty and he is clearly strong willed, very ambitious and has great ideas - but he hasn't done his homework. Distribution is much harder than having contacts who will print DVD's, sending out press releases and knowing acquisition people at video stores. I asked him several questions on his distribution thread that he hasn't answered.

As clive pointed out, it takes a lot of hard work just to get a movie out there.

JReel - You worked very hard to complete your movie. Each of us who has finished a feature know how hard you worked.

Now you need to work even harder getting it out there.
 
Thanks for the kind words directorix.

I don't want discourage chitty from doing his thing, the indie film scene needs more sympathetic distributors, and there will always be some films that are best served by a more underground approach to marketing. I guess I've just seen so many indies give up film making or settling for film making as a hobby, when a little research into the global film market would give them a better chance of getting a wider audience for their film.

I still consider myself a novice when it comes to understanding film distribution and I've been working at increasing my knowledge for the last four years.
 
I almost feel like I should start a new thread here, because I'm about to digress even more from the subject Chitty started. But I'll take that risk..LOL.

The problem with my feature, and Poke for one can attest to this, is that it sits on the fence of ultra low budget horror, and drama. It has vampires, but it really isn't a VAMPIRE MOVIE. I has some deaths via vampire blood sucking, but it really isn't a HORROR MOVIE. It's really more drama than horror, plus, God help me, it was shot in black and white. I really made Dawn for myself...to tell a story that I was passionate about. I spent my own money to do that, and for the most part did what I set out to do. At the time that was enough. I accomplished my dream.

Now I want more. I want people to see it. It would be great to at least break even on my budget, but my main focus now is getting out to the public. Dawn certainly has it's flaws, most noticably with the acting, but the story comes through in the end, and I truly feel it has merit.

But it doesn't fit snugly into the ultra low budget, direct to video horror nitch. It's almost a creature unto itself. And I can see a sales agent slitting his wrists trying to market the damn thing.

I'm pretty much screwed I'm afraid. Stuck with a 5 grand, 99 minute home movie.

Sorry to display my self-pity in public. And for diviating from the subject.
 
Can I suggest you talk to Heidi Martinuzzi

her e-mail address is Superheidi@msn.com

And she's an online journalist who specialises in writing articles on numerous cult horror websites about low-budget horror films. Tell her what your situation is, because she'll not only be able to get the word out on your film, but she maybe able to suggest various ways of self distribution.

You've only got to sell in the region of 1000 DVD direct to punter worldwide to make your money back on this project and Heidi is the person to talk to about this.

She's involved in a site called

www.unspeakablemag.com

You might find it an interesting way of promoting your film
 
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I've contacted Heidi in the past and she reviewed Voice of the Dead for me. She's really sweet and willing to help as well! :) Glad you contacted her JReel.
 
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