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Old 06-07-2018, 09:49 AM   #16
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You can get a free version of Pro Tools called Pro Tools First. But if you're using Premiere presumably you've also got Audition? That comes with some good noise reduction.
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You guys remember Cool Edit Pro. xD
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:09 AM   #18
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I own the Pro 8 version of HitFilm and I would use dedicated multi-track audio editing program, such as a Digital Audio Workstation (DAW), with VST plugin support for audio editing and mastering.

As a long time musician, I personally have several DAWs in my music studio and have never used Audacity. However, to my knowledge, Audacity does support VSTs, which will open up more available tools to edit the audio tracks.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:56 AM   #19
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Personally, I think sound is more important than picture quality. (I can’t understand why people always think the other way around.) And there I got a question. Which is better for sound editing audacity or HitFilm Express?
Really? Then why are you comparing an audio editing program to a compositing and 3D model editing program? Compare HitFilm Pro to After Effects, not Audacity.

For Audiacity compare it to Protools, Audition, and Sound Forge Pro.

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Old 07-10-2018, 10:02 AM   #20
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You can get a free version of Pro Tools called Pro Tools First. But if you're using Premiere presumably you've also got Audition? That comes with some good noise reduction.
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I own the Pro 8 version of HitFilm and I would use dedicated multi-track audio editing program, such as a Digital Audio Workstation (DAW), with VST plugin support for audio editing and mastering.

As a long time musician, I personally have several DAWs in my music studio and have never used Audacity. However, to my knowledge, Audacity does support VSTs, which will open up more available tools to edit the audio tracks.
So, yeah... there are a couple things here that need to be mentioned.

First, a dedicated audio editing app is ALWAYS better for editing audio than a dedicated video editing app or compositing app. That’s just... logical. Just like a screwdriver is always better than a hammer for sinking a screw.

Second, there are a few big limitations here. The first is that HitFilm does not allow for exporting OMF or AAF. Those are the two ways to move a project from an NLE to a DAW. Without that ability, there’s only so much that can be done for editing sound outside of the NLE.

If you can’t move your original audio tracks, intact and as they appear in the NLE, to a DAW, any audio editing done outside the NLE is pretty much limited to work done on individual clips. Edit the individual clip, export it as a new file, and bring it back into HitFilm. And that’s a convluted workflow. But something like Audacity is fine for working on small clips.

Or you can do all of your dialog editing and mixing in HitFilm and export the video with mixed dialog, then use another multitrack DAW app to add music and effects and do a final mix there. Either way, you’re stuck doing a lot of sound editing in HitFilm and committing to it before you do anything else in another app.

ProTools First is great for what it is, but it does have severe limitations. Only 16 tracks. No OMF/AAF support. No video support. Only three projects at a time, stored on a 1GB cloud (no local project storage). Lots of other limitations, but those four are the ones that make this not the best idea for video work.

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Old 07-10-2018, 10:06 AM   #21
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I should probably jump in and suggest REAPER as the (essentially free), do-it-all DAW solution. I was a poor-tools user until 2009, when I switched over to REAPER. Couldn't be happier with it.

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Old 07-10-2018, 10:22 AM   #22
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One thing I'd suggest for using Reaper to mix films- suck it up and buy the Vordio application. It will allow you to bring an XML edit into Reaper just like going from Media Composer to Pro Tools. All your cuts remain intact. I briefly played with the demo version and it worked flawless.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:33 AM   #23
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PoorTools? Yeesh...

Look, Reaper may work fine for some. HitFilm may work fine for some. The thing is, those are perfectly fine if you’re doing your own thing in your own workspace. The minute you want to work collaboratively with other creators, you’re already hindered unless they’re on the exact same system.

There’s a reason ProTools is a standard in the industry. It’s powerful and it talks to other projects through standardized file transfer formats from Avid, Premiere, and (with a plug-in) FCPX. HitFilm cannot do that. Reaper requires a couple of workarounds to pull in those projects - whether it’s Vordio or AATranslator - but can it send those same projects out to other (non-Reaper) users?

We’ve gotten way beyond anything that Future_Screen is ever going to need. Lots of this info can be useful for others reading this thread, but to the OP:

Keep it simple. You still cannot get a screenplay started, much less finished. What audio work do you really need to do at this point? You’re editing in HitFilm (are you editing anything?!). Use Audacity to treat sound as needed and call it a day. Learn from that experience. When - and if - you get into a bigger project with more complex needs, then you can look at something better.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:38 AM   #24
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One thing I'd suggest for using Reaper to mix films- suck it up and buy the Vordio application. It will allow you to bring an XML edit into Reaper just like going from Media Composer to Pro Tools. All your cuts remain intact. I briefly played with the demo version and it worked flawless.
That looks like a nice app. I'd get it, but I'm already doing this with AATranslator, so no need for me. If I didn't have AAT, I'd definitely be looking at Vordio.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:45 AM   #25
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PoorTools? Yeesh...

Look, Reaper may work fine for some. HitFilm may work fine for some. The thing is, those are perfectly fine if you’re doing your own thing in your own workspace. The minute you want to work collaboratively with other creators, you’re already hindered unless they’re on the exact same system.
This is 100% true, but it all really depends at what level you're working at. If you're not getting paid, and collaborating with other people in the same boat... you're (IME) just as likely to be working in a studio running REAPER, or any number of other DAWs, as you are Pro-Tools. In fact, in the last 10 years, PT's market share outside of "real" studios has fallen hard. I know what you're saying though. At the serious, professional level, it's PT all the way.

Also, just wanted to add that PT isn't even a bad DAW, it's just that their constant updates and up-sell pricing schemes will make you poor. Unless you've got some really nice, steady, financially secure clients.
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You know, first you have to WRITE something. Until you've done that everything else is completely moot.




You are also falling into the Indie Control Freak Trap; you feel that you have to do everything yourself. Filmmaking is a TEAM SPORT. You must relinquish control of many aspects of your projects if you ever want them completed in a reasonable amount of time. To the best of my knowledge you haven't even written a single completed script. If you can't do that, what in Bogs name makes you thing that you can do a proper preproduction, compile a budget, run a camera, light a set, use a sound kit, direct actors, edit the visuals, compose a score and do an audio post (DX editing, Foley, Sound FX, music editing & mixing)?

There's just too much to know. When I migrated from music engineering to audio post it took me a year to feel like a I had a complete grasp of the process, much less felt that I was competent - and I had 25+ years of audio experience going in!

Take human bites. Write a complete script. Then write a dozen more. After that then you can ask about how to shoot one of them.

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Old 07-12-2018, 03:21 AM   #27
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"Fix it in post" applies to audio as well as picture. You should not have annoying sounds on your audio. That's when you cut and retake, or you eliminate the noise (air conditioner, baby crying etc.) on set. Shit in shit out. NOTHING is going to clean up poorly recorded audio. Do it right on set.
Nothing except me. Although I am a professional, corporate film maker, occasionally I get paid for a sound cleanup.

Depends on how what it is. Sometimes, it is salvageable... for a price.
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:06 AM   #28
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First, a dedicated audio editing app is ALWAYS better for editing audio than a dedicated video editing app or compositing app. Thats just... logical. Just like a screwdriver is always better than a hammer for sinking a screw.
Whilst true, I disagree mostly when it comes to software like Audacity. Personally Id rather use Resolve (which also happens to be free) than Audacity. Id prefer to use Media Composer or FCPXs audio tools than Audacity. Theyre not necessarily anything special (though theyre certainly not bad) and Id always prefer to do an audio edit and mix in Pro Tools, but if it was Media Composer/FCPX or Audacity... Id go for the video app...
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:16 AM   #29
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Neither of those two are proper hardcore DAWs for audio.

No professional specialist would use either for audio.

So as much as I like HitFilm I would have to say *no* to that! (I even run a forum for them: https://www.facebook.com/groups/426174967509293/ )

Instead go for one of these two:

1) Pro Tools, if this is your planned career path and you need to work with others on a post sound team

2) Reaper if you're a serious hobbyist or someone who'll mainly be doing the sound solo by yourself rather than part of a wider large post sound department, as Reaper is a greater priced, powerful, and modern DAW.

https://www.reaper.fm
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:23 AM   #30
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One thing I'd suggest for using Reaper to mix films- suck it up and buy the Vordio application. It will allow you to bring an XML edit into Reaper just like going from Media Composer to Pro Tools. All your cuts remain intact. I briefly played with the demo version and it worked flawless.
AATranslator is a very good option as well, better than Vordio for many users.

http://www.aatranslator.com.au

Ideally, get both!
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