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Old 06-20-2018, 05:10 AM   #1
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Sound recording with limited kit

So... I'm now a professional film maker (yay!) with a small, corporate customer list. I'm marketing like crazy, am enjoying every minute of it, have made more money than I thought I would, although I wasn't very optimistic but still have this crazy, creative streak in me.

One thing I've always wanted to do is to shoot an opera, albeit a limited one. E.g. an opera without a full orchestra and to attempt to commercialise it.

Problem: I don't have the kit and want to attempt this on the cheap. My sound kitlist is:

- Mkh416 or ECM 674 (I find the ECM better if I need to focus on, say, something like birdsong).
- Sound devices mixer. Cheap one with a couple of XLRs
- Small mixer, somewhere I think. Something with lots of dials on but would have to dig it out.
- Recorder - Something Zoomy.
- The usual bits and pieces (booms etc...)
- Post software: I'd need to get some Logic Pro but could potentially farm out this element to someeone.
- Other stuff which is irrelevant like lavs etc...

I have a little experience of micing up a small, group. E.g. a guitarist with both a mic on the guitarist plus a pickup. However, I've never micced up an orchestra.

Dialogue is not an issue but obviously, music and singing is so I wanted to ask your opinion. Using this very limited setup, how would you record a small orchestra and singers?
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I would buy some Samson C02S... connect them trough a something like a ZOOM F8...... or record a stereo with your zoom from that Cheap mixer ...the one with a couple of XLRs. It al depends on the budget.... Samson C02S are cheap... but good.
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Rent! Rent!! RENT!!!


It's better that you rent quality gear than buying cheap gear. That is what I do if the needed tools are not already in my kit.

You probably want to go with cardioids over shotguns. As referenced in one of the above videos (part 4) an XY configuration would probably be your best bet for optimum sound on a limited budget. It will have the fewest chances of combing and phase cancellation and for that reason will be easier to control during audio post.


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Thanks. XY config looks like the way forward.
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Make sure that they are matching mics. If you use two different mics it can get weird sounding. At the very least be sure that the polar patterns match.


Oh, yeah… If you can get it right behind and above the conductor, pointed slightly down, you will catch his/her perspective.
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Old 06-21-2018, 01:07 AM   #8
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Make sure that they are matching mics. If you use two different mics it can get weird sounding. At the very least be sure that the polar patterns match.
Or better yet, a matched pair from the manufacturer.
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The Samson C02S get some good reviews from Curtis Judd. Sounded good t over my Tannoy Mercury M20. Looking forward to test them in the field. Alcove gives good advice and has more experience than me... I would go for his advice.
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I would hope that he would rent something a little better than Samson mics. Preferably something like the Audio-Technica AT4053b or the Sennheiser MKH 50 P48.


And the M2's are not studio reference monitors, they are low end consumer speakers, so the sound is hyped by design to make things sound better (added highs & lows, etc.); everything will sound better than if heard on professional reference monitors.
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Well... that explains a lot... have to look for a good EQ.
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Or better yet, a matched pair from the manufacturer.
That is what I meant by matching mics. A "Matched Pair" to deep audio types like myself means sequential serial numbers.
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Astonishing that it can be recorded on just two mics. Last time around, I recorded a small, acoustic group micing up each individual instrument.

I could literally run the signals through my SD mixer and run it into a Zoom H5N! That's astonishing! And sticking the mics behind the conductor's fantastic. And renting a couple of Sennheisers is a good idea. Will sound great.
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Astonishing that it can be recorded on just two mics.
In the 30's Big Band era a single mic was used and you "mixed" by moving band members around the room until the blend sounded right. As second mic was used for the vocalist. As technology improved more mics were added.
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Yeah is that why this guitar not isnt mic'd .. just play in the background of the room eh

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