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Old 12-26-2017, 04:35 PM   #91
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Some interesting thoughts on the matter:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...rass-and-t/#/0
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Old 12-26-2017, 04:50 PM   #92
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Some interesting thoughts on the matter:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...rass-and-t/#/0


Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?
I tell ya I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon....
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Old 12-26-2017, 09:08 PM   #93
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So should it now be like this?
Just don't do it & don't enable it.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:11 AM   #94
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Dave chapelle said he was done with comedy in his latest special because everyone gets offended at everything now. He can't make jokes anymore without hurting peoples feelings and receiving backlash.

Then he goes on to make jokes about the Harvey situation and OF COURSE.. backlash lol
http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/01/dave-cha...is-ck-netflix/

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“One lady said, ‘Louis C.K. masturbated in front of me, ruined my comedy dreams,'” he said. “Word? Well, then I dare say, madam, you may have never had a dream. Come on man, that’s a brittle spirit. That is a brittle-ass spirit, that is too much, this grown-ass woman.”
He added, “You think if Louis C.K. jerked off in front of Dr. [Martin Luther] King, he’d be like, ‘I can’t continue this movement? I’m sorry, but the freedom of black people must be stopped. I didn’t know this n—- was going to pull his dick out and jerk off like this. I thought we were going to get a couple of drinks and chill.’ Show business is just harder than that — them women sounded like, I hate to say it, they sounded weak. I know it sounds f—ed up and I’m not supposed to say that, but one of these ladies was like, ‘Louis C.K. was masturbating while I was on the phone with him.’ Bitch, you don’t know how to hang up the phone? How the hell are you going to survive in show business if this is an actual obstacle to your dreams?
He does have a point about how difficult the comedy world is, but saying this sort of thing marginalizes the impact that it had on the victim.

That being said - I think it's completely acceptable on a comedy stage. That might be controversial but it's the job of the comedian.
Funny because I hate kat Williams for condoning dog fighting with pitbulls in his act. Does that make me a hypocrite?

In his last Netflix special Dave Chapelle joked about, when dressed up as a woman, tricking a man into having sex with him.

I cringed and thought it was in really poor taste. I can see how he got negative feedback from that.
I also think he didn't say it out of hate or bigotry and a simple apology and everyone can move on!!!

Also he added that women need to be more accepting of imperfect allies.. I think that's a great point too.
If the only friends you want in this world have to be perfect then you're not going to have very many friends

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He continued, “Because men want to help, they’re just scared. Ben Affleck tried to help. ‘Hey, what happened to these ladies is disgusting.’ ‘Oh, n—-, you grabbed a titty in ’95.’ ‘All right, fellas, I’m out. F— that, I ain’t helping.”

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Old 01-03-2018, 09:29 AM   #95
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Ya comedy is tough, it's so subjective.
Just from reading that, he's riding a fine line. I can see how it's offensive these days, but he does make sense in his own weird fucked up way. It's the sort of thing someone says when they're chilling, getting high with friends. And Dave is usually high. The problem is just as you said sfoster, most people don't understand how hard it is to do standup comedy as a career. If he had explained all the trials & rejections someone has to go through doing standup, maybe there'd be less people offended. I have to watch it myself to see how he did it.

You also have to think how many people are complaining. There may not be a lot, but they're just really vocal, & the media puts it out there because it's what gets them views right now.
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yeah, you got screwed by representatives of big money. Nevertheless: the metoo discussion is a good thing as it helps us to create a better world.
I agree about metoo, WalterB. But my observation was actually more about how the media has been used historically to distract people from focusing on something that could make them rebellious. Like when the emperor entertained the Roman people with bread & circuses.

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Old 01-03-2018, 05:52 PM   #96
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OOOOOKAY this is going too far
Dan Harmon, showrunner of rick and morty, apologizes to former subordinate comedy writer

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/da...cid=spartanntp

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"I know we're not supposed to attack our allies, but seeing my former abuser go after HW is a real trigger. Hey, bud. I once told you I didn't feel comfortable working at your home, just us two, and you said, 'Relax, Ganz. I'm not gonna rape you,'" she wrote.
...and? Being an asshole of a boss has absolutely nothing to do with sexual abuse or Harvey
What is going on here? What a confusing article

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"It took me years to believe in my talents again, to trust a boss when he complimented me and not cringe when he asked for my number. I was afraid to be enthusiastic, knowing it might be turned against me later," she wrote. "I want to watch the first episode of television I wrote again without remembering what came after. Figure out how to give me that relief and I'll return the favor."

Am I missing something?

Get in line if your boss hurt your feelings. Do you know how many millions of people have been used by companies then thrown out with the garbage? I've had my share of asshole bosses and I've been unjustly fired before but I don't go around playing a victim because of it.

We really are a culture of victims

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Old 01-04-2018, 07:57 AM   #97
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I agree about metoo, WalterB. But my observation was actually more about how the media has been used historically to distract people from focusing on something that could make them rebellious. Like when the emperor entertained the Roman people with bread & circuses.
Big money owns most media. (lol, makes me sound like anti mainstream media, but that is not the case. I like fact based news: most is still coming from the mainmstream.)
Rome understood: feed the people and entertain them to keep them happy.
Ironically enough that has slowly shifted to distraction with things that cause anger in an attempt to steal the bread during the distraction.

MeToo is not really a distraction: it is a real 'revolution' and I think it got so much momentum because decades of repressed anger and grief found a channel to release itself. At the same time: big things like this can take the spotlights away from other things that are important as well. So it can function as a distraction as well.
It is a complicated world we live in: it becomes seemingly harder to seperate hype from the really important things.
Yet I still stand with my former remark: everyone has the power to make the world a better place with freedom and safety for all (except the ones who take the freedom and safety from others). I try to live by 'do not hurt': a very simple 'rule' that surely can work when you see other people with empathy.
I guess MeToo has shown that power can erode empathy or that some people never had empathy to begin with.

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Old 01-04-2018, 01:40 PM   #98
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it's been scientifically proven that wealthy people are less empathetic
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:23 PM   #99
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it's been scientifically proven that wealthy people are less empathetic
Haven't heard about that research.
Next question is: what causes what if there is a causality?

We are moving away from the topic I fear.
Let's get back on topic.

Here in The Netherlands a rapper is being boycotted by most stations after calling girls 'slutty whores' in a video. The girls gave him a ride to his gig on new years eve when he had a flat tire. I paraphrased his words as he used a foreign word that means that every single woman not sitting at home with her parents and dressed 'properly' is a slutty whore who deserves to be insulted in public and to be treated as an object for lust.
After the first outrage he posted an explainantion why he said it: 'they were wearing skirts and drinking alcohol in a club'.
That backfired even more, so he tried a lame excuse without the desired effect. At the moment he is calling everyone boycotting or addressing him a racist.
Difficult times.

I never listened to his music, so I don't have to boycot him, lol, but it shows how deep misogyny can be embedded in culture and thus seem totally normal to those people in such environments.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:47 PM   #100
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I don't remember where I first heard about it, but a quick google search lead me to time magazine
http://healthland.time.com/2010/11/2...-less-empathy/

It's possible this lack of empathy contributes to predatory practices

Yeah you really shouldn't insult people that did you a favor, that's being a real ass.
Throwing in prejudice on top of it and sounds like the rapper is getting what he deserved.
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:49 PM   #101
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Absolutely sfoster, I'd say lack of empathy contributes to predatory practices toward women & also business. Another reason for a powerful person being predatory is because a corporation's main goal is to increase their profits, every year. That's tremendous pressure on a board of directors who want to keep their high paying jobs. There comes a point when it must take so much advantage of human & natural resources that it damages those resources.

Exactly, WalterB. It's possible big money used the media to shift attention toward something equally as important so they can benefit.
When some see how money & power lets them do things other people can't, some start to believe they're better than others & deserve whatever they want. It's not always good people that become powerful. It's often the more aggressive ones who don't care about stepping on other people. And then you have the mentality of keeping women down that a lot of powerful older men still believe in.

But on the people's side, social media has incredible power. By spreading knowledge & affecting public opinion, it has made organizations take steps to address the problem instead of trying to hide it. Because they're motivated by money after all, & they need the public's approval.

I think it's okay to go off topic sometimes, we kind of enhance our observations by broadening the scope of the subject
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Old 01-05-2018, 03:31 PM   #102
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It's not really off topic if we're talking about contributing factors.

New development with Louis CK .. he was a professional on good behavior for all his television shows

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/fx...cid=spartandhp
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“As you all know, several months ago we ended our business relationship with Louis C.K. after he acknowledged that the sexual misconduct reported in the New York Times was accurate,” Landgraf says. “Our public statement at the time said that we would conduct a further investigation to determine if there was any misconduct on any of the five shows that Louis produced for FX. Having recently completed that investigation we did not find any issues, complaints or incidents of misconduct of any kind during the eight years we worked together.”
They took all his shows from him, pretty much everything, because he asked women that admired him for sexual experiences
Not even employees
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:25 PM   #103
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Didn't they take Louie's shows from him because the women felt harassed by his propositioning & showing them his penis?
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:46 PM   #104
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I have to go back and read these old louis stories.. there must be some sort of employee/employer relationship on a different show or something that isn't related with fx.

EDIT: TBH not as interested in louis bc i don't regard his acts as monsterous.. i think he had power and temptation and went too far down a bad road over the years.
He can redeem himself.

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Old 01-10-2018, 04:41 PM   #105
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I think this behavior is in poor taste.

Man turns on cell phone video then walks up and slaps harvey in the face.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/10/harvey...eo-restaurant/

TMZ pays him for the video.
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