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Old 07-17-2016, 01:13 PM   #31
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Excellent advice from APE.

Mark, I saw what you call a line item budget. It tells me you do
not have the knowledge and experience to manage half a million
dollars. Money is not going allow you to make a great film or
even to realize your dream. I hope you take the time to build
your filmmaking knowledge, skill and experience - then you might
be able to attract more people to donate money to a crowdfunding
campaign.
how do you know I don't have knowledge to execute my project ?
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Old 07-17-2016, 01:26 PM   #32
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how do you know I don't have knowledge to execute my project ?
I don't know that. I apologize. I made that assumption based on what
you have posted here and the budget I saw.
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Old 07-17-2016, 02:41 PM   #33
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I don't know that. I apologize. I made that assumption based on what
you have posted here and the budget I saw.
The budget I sent you was the sheer basic things that I was main focused on. I left everything else out because I felt it was unnecessary to show you. If you want the full scope of my project, then you can kindly join the project as a producer. I don't mean that to be harsh either. It just didn't make much sense to me.
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:57 PM   #34
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I apologize again, Mark. I asked to see your full, line item budget. You said
I could see it. Then didn't send it. I wish you had just been up front with me
and said it was unnecessary to show me your full budget unless I were to
join the project as producer. I respect honesty.

I'm glad you have a full, line item budget and that you have the skill, knowledge
and experience to make this movie. I wish you the best.
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Old 07-17-2016, 06:38 PM   #35
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I apologize again, Mark. I asked to see your full, line item budget. You said
I could see it. Then didn't send it. I wish you had just been up front with me
and said it was unnecessary to show me your full budget unless I were to
join the project as producer. I respect honesty.

I'm glad you have a full, line item budget and that you have the skill, knowledge
and experience to make this movie. I wish you the best.
You asked for a budget and I gave you one. Just because I didn't include every little detail doesn't mean I didn't send you a budget. I gave you a budget with my primary focus points. Rik what I don't appreciated is you saying that your interested in contributing and you don't, then turn around and ask for everything when you know you never had in intentions on doing so. Then you get on this site and try to diminish my work and put me down instead of actually adding constructive criticism or genuinely trying to help me. This project is not something that I just threw together. I have been working on this for some years. I've rewritten the script multiple times and have received tons of feedback on what I should change. I've changed my script multiple times to get to where I am now. So believe me when I say that I'm confident in my ability to complete this project that I've started. What is with people on this site that just try to tear each other down. As a group we should be about helping each other and building each other up. If you are offering something useful, then great. If not, then you need to keep that to yourself. But I like to thank you for your input.

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Old 07-17-2016, 10:52 PM   #36
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You asked for a budget and I gave you one. Just because I didn't include every little detail doesn't mean I didn't send you a budget. I gave you a budget with my primary focus points.
I asked for a full line item budget. You did not send that. I wish you had
told me you didn't feel it was necessary to send me a full line item budget.
I would have respected that.

I know you are confident in your abilities. I believe you. I was hoping I could
help you demonstrate that to others. Many of the things you have said didn't
do that. I was genuinely trying to help you build a better crowdfunding campaign
through suggestions. I know budgeting. If you didn't have a full line item budget
I could have helped. I know a production company looking for a great action
project. Perhaps your project is what they are looking for. I only wanted to help.
I am truly sorry you see my contribution as diminishing your work and putting
you down.

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Rik what I don't appreciated is you saying that your interested in contributing and you don't, then turn around and ask for everything when you know you never had in intentions on doing so.
That's not fair or true. You asked “If my campaign wasn't flexible funding. Would
you contribute to my campaign ?” and I said yes. I thought I was very clear that
I would not contribute to a flexible funding campaign.

How can you say you know my intentions? You do not. My intention was to contribute.
That's why I asked to see a line item budget.

I apologize for asking for a budget. I see now I overstepped my place. I won't do it again.
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Old 07-18-2016, 12:40 AM   #37
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I asked for a full line item budget. You did not send that. I wish you had
told me you didn't feel it was necessary to send me a full line item budget.
I would have respected that.

I know you are confident in your abilities. I believe you. I was hoping I could
help you demonstrate that to others. Many of the things you have said didn't
do that. I was genuinely trying to help you build a better crowdfunding campaign
through suggestions. I know budgeting. If you didn't have a full line item budget
I could have helped. I know a production company looking for a great action
project. Perhaps your project is what they are looking for. I only wanted to help.
I am truly sorry you see my contribution as diminishing your work and putting
you down.


That's not fair or true. You asked “If my campaign wasn't flexible funding. Would
you contribute to my campaign ?” and I said yes. I thought I was very clear that
I would not contribute to a flexible funding campaign.

How can you say you know my intentions? You do not. My intention was to contribute.
That's why I asked to see a line item budget.

I apologize for asking for a budget. I see now I overstepped my place. I won't do it again.
I apologize if you had true intentions and was really trying to help. I wasn't trying to be mean. But What I'm saying is the tone of all your posts were very much like you were talking down to me. If you want to help me, then help me. I don't have any issues with people that are trying to help. But when it come out the wrong way. People won't see it as help and it will sour things between you.

"I know a production company looking for a great action
project. Perhaps your project is what they are looking for. "

You never mentioned any of this and that is what I mean. If you are trying to help me, then help me. I will gladly take all the help I can get. But you have to be care of how it comes off to folks.


" My intention was to contribute.
That's why I asked to see a line item budget."

What I sent to you would give you an idea of what I planned on doing with the funds raised. I do want to let you know that I will be moving my campaign over to kickstarter shortly. So I will hold you to that and will be look for your contribution.

like I said before. We have to work together as a community and not against each other. Thank you all the same.
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Old 07-18-2016, 09:25 AM   #38
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I apologize if you had true intentions and was really trying to help.
Apology accepted.

Perhaps you misunderstood my "tone". It's difficult to detect "tone" on
a messageboard. I'm no longer interested in helping you. I wish you the
best with your project but this interaction with you is too difficult for me.
And please do not interpret my tone as anything but sad. Do not read anger
or condescension into my tone. There is some regret but nothing else is
implied. I'm sorry to have upset you.
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Old 07-19-2016, 03:17 AM   #39
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You asked for a budget and I gave you one. Just because I didn't include every little detail doesn't mean I didn't send you a budget.......
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I asked for a full line item budget. You did not send that. I wish you had
told me you didn't feel it was necessary to send me a full line item budget.
I would have respected that.
......
All this confusion...

Let's replace some words here and we will see how words, expectations and conclusions work.

"You asked for a feature film. Just because I didn't include all the scenes, doesn't mean I didn't send a feature."
"I asked for a high action feature..."

I haven't slept enough: shooting till close to midnight, up before dawn to shoot again, but I am aware this sounds like mockery. However, this is only mocking the confusion one gets when not communicating clearly.
When communicating about a feature or when seeking help: never pretend you understand when you don't, never assume you're clear when doing something else than expected.
Both are hard to do, I know: I also want to look smart and what I do always makes perfect sense to me.
Communication is the most important thing to get any team effort done.

As far as I know Rik: he is always trying to be helpfull and supportive.
He probably wanted to check out whether the budget 'made sense': a sensible budget often points to a clear and realistic vision on the feasability of a project. This is were experience helps as well.

Enough about this miscommunication.

What will you do differently with your kickstarter campaign?
Do you already have a new strategy?
(These questions are also meant to stimulate you to think about it )
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Thanks, Walter. I was beginning to question myself. I'm glad you could see
my intent. I genuinely feel bad that Mark was upset with my questions and
statements. You are correct regarding my intent when asking for a line item
budget.

If Mark had said, “I don't have one but I do have an overview of what I feel
is important.” I would not have later said I felt he didn't have the needed
experience to manage half a million dollars. I would have offered to help him
put together a workable budget. If he had sent a fill line item budget I would
know for sure he was experienced enough to manage half a million dollars
and be willing to donate when he set up a kickstarter campaign. I got the
impression he was pretending to know and understand more than he actually
does. There is NO shame in that. There are people here with more knowledge
and experience willing to share and help.

This will be my last post on the subject; I feel bad that my intent was so
misunderstood. I honestly wish Smithproductions success with the new campaign.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:14 PM   #41
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Thanks, Walter. I was beginning to question myself. I'm glad you could see
my intent. I genuinely feel bad that Mark was upset with my questions and
statements. You are correct regarding my intent when asking for a line item
budget.

If Mark had said, “I don't have one but I do have an overview of what I feel
is important.” I would not have later said I felt he didn't have the needed
experience to manage half a million dollars. I would have offered to help him
put together a workable budget. If he had sent a fill line item budget I would
know for sure he was experienced enough to manage half a million dollars
and be willing to donate when he set up a kickstarter campaign. I got the
impression he was pretending to know and understand more than he actually
does. There is NO shame in that. There are people here with more knowledge
and experience willing to share and help.

This will be my last post on the subject; I feel bad that my intent was so
misunderstood. I honestly wish Smithproductions success with the new campaign.
I'm sorry to the both of you. I wasn't trying to be mean. I felt like you guys were being discouraging. But I like to thank you for all the well wishes. I have moved my campaign over to kickstarter. You can check out what I've changed. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...?ref=user_menu

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Old 08-20-2016, 03:08 PM   #42
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Hey Guys, I'm looking to raise funds for my film Days End. I directed, wrote, produced and starred in the short film. I'm really hoping to make this project big and unlike anything you've ever seen. I just started a indiegogo campaign with the hopes of accomplishing this. Please check out the campaign and any donations to the campaign are greatly appreciated.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/d...lm/x/8991977#/
I'm not going to criticize your failed Kickstarter fundraiser, and I'm not going to criticize your spelling or your punctuation, and I'm not going to criticize your syntax... I'm going to criticize your attitude. When people like directorik and Mlesemann and WalterB and APE give you advice, you MIGHT want to choke down your arrogance and LISTEN TO THEM! I GUARANTEE that the rest of us do! Because if Directorik told me "you do not have the knowledge and experience to manage half a million dollar", I'd be sh**ting bricks... not puffing out my chest and saying "how do you know". And while the person you're actively posting back-and-forth with may not have the $500,000 to invest in your feature. I PROMISE you that there are some silent "lurkers' here who do, people who just watched you basically tell the resident experts that YOU know more than they do. And people don't just invest in a project, they invest in the man or woman behind it.
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I'm not going to criticize your failed Kickstarter fundraiser, and I'm not going to criticize your spelling or your punctuation, and I'm not going to criticize your syntax... I'm going to criticize your attitude. When people like directorik and Mlesemann and WalterB and APE give you advice, you MIGHT want to choke down your arrogance and LISTEN TO THEM! I GUARANTEE that the rest of us do! Because if Directorik told me "you do not have the knowledge and experience to manage half a million dollar", I'd be sh**ting bricks... not puffing out my chest and saying "how do you know". And while the person you're actively posting back-and-forth with may not have the $500,000 to invest in your feature. I PROMISE you that there are some silent "lurkers' here who do, people who just watched you basically tell the resident experts that YOU know more than they do. And people don't just invest in a project, they invest in the man or woman behind it.
I wasn't being arrogant at all. I was simply exampling myself through out the thread. I was listen to everything they said and offered up. I wasn't acting like I knew everything. Because I don't. Directorik and myself have apologize multiple times to each other and we're cool. I never had any intentions on doing the entire project myself either. I was simply trying to secure the funds necessary to complete my project. You can't really get any where without the proper funds and no one really wants to sign on to a project with a salary being offered. I can't even cover all the fields needed to complete the project by myself. But thanks for your reply.
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I'm not going to criticize your failed Kickstarter fundraiser, and I'm not going to criticize your spelling or your punctuation, and I'm not going to criticize your syntax... I'm going to criticize your attitude. When people like directorik and Mlesemann and WalterB and APE give you advice, you MIGHT want to choke down your arrogance and LISTEN TO THEM! I GUARANTEE that the rest of us do! Because if Directorik told me "you do not have the knowledge and experience to manage half a million dollar", I'd be sh**ting bricks... not puffing out my chest and saying "how do you know". And while the person you're actively posting back-and-forth with may not have the $500,000 to invest in your feature. I PROMISE you that there are some silent "lurkers' here who do, people who just watched you basically tell the resident experts that YOU know more than they do. And people don't just invest in a project, they invest in the man or woman behind it.
One more thing. I was always trying to hire professionals to help with my project, but like I mentioned before. No one really is remotely interested in signing on to a project unless you offer a salary. Which I don't really blame them.
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Old 08-21-2016, 04:09 AM   #45
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I'd just like to add to this that the attachment of named/known talent has nothing to do with procuring a micro budget for an indie film. However, as someone (Walter B maybe?) mentioned, showing via proof of concept (or at the very least, for Christs sake, the production value of your pitch video) that you indeed have the apparent (even if completely void of notoriety) talent and capacity to actually pull it off has everything to do with it. Thank goodness. This is even further amplified by a concept that is fresh, original or just plain badass in the eyes of the potential backers.

Also, I'd like to stress that I rarely see crowdfunding film campaigns (successful or otherwise) that have even a pie chart of how they intend to spend the cash, let alone a transparent film budget excel spreadsheet available for download. It's a proven unnecessary component to this process, though I do find that fact puzzling at times.

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