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Old 03-14-2016, 08:27 PM   #16
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Spec Script is a format. Notice how the OP mentions he found one for The Sixth Sense. Spec Scripts are the dialogue and action of a film in 3rd person. You could compare it to a novel, it's a piece of art, written by a screenwriter.
You have been misinformed. "Spec Script" is not a format it is a script written
without a sale or offer of a sale. Different from a commissioned or solicited
screenplay in which the writer is paid to write the script. "The Sixth Sense" was
written on "spec" and then put up for sale. The "A Clockwork Orange" script
was commissioned by Warner Bros. Kubrick (and the uncredited writers) were
paid to write and develop the screenplay and then film.

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And yes, it is speculation because Spec Scripts don't get made into movies. They sell the story of the movie. Production Scripts get made into movies. Spec Scripts dream to one day grow up into Production Scripts.
An adorable metaphor. Screenplays written on spec (spec scripts) are often made
into movies. Thelma & Louise, Good Will Hunting, American Beauty, Lethal Weapon,
Basic Instinct,. Want some recent ones? Snow White And The Huntsman was written
on spec, This Means War was written in 1998 and finally sold and got made in 2012,
Gran Torino. These were all "spec scripts". Not all written in "spec script" format, but
written without a deal in place and optioned and then sold and then made into movies.

THIS LINK may help you better understand what a spec script is.

Read the interviews on THIS WGA PAGE. Not one person mentions that a "spec script"
is a format.

Not all script are written on spec. Many writers are paid to write. I make a nice
percentage of my living as a writer; I do not write on the speculation that my script
will find a buyer, I am hired to write. And I use the exact same format as I use when
I do write on the speculation that some producer will buy my script.
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Okay... so directorik, what do you call a script that isn't a shooting script? What format would you say they are?

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They don't call it a format in that interview because they aren't asked what format should someone write an episode to an already existing show if they wanted to get a job there. The answer to that question would be "Spec Script".

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I can share a link too. http://filmschoolonline.com/sample_l...son_format.htm

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Even if you're paid to do the writing... you still write a spec script because it's not an actual shooting script, it's not the final product. Unless of course you were paid to write a shooting script. It's a speculation of the final product.

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Old 03-14-2016, 11:13 PM   #18
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Okay... so directorik, what do you call a script that isn't a shooting script? What format would you say they are?
I would call a script that isn't a shooting script a screenplay or teleplay.
I would say the format is "screenplay" format. It can't be a spec script
if it is already sold before it is written.

From the filmschoolonline link:
"Spec scripts are scripts written on the speculation of a future sale."
So what is a script that is already sold before a writer writes a page?

A shooting script is used during production. I agree. So what is a script that
is NOT a shooting script but not written on the speculation of a future sale?
filmschoolonline doesn't seem to have a term for those scripts.
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But as I said, that Clockwork Orange one is a fake, written as a spec script.

I'm sure Kubrick's script was a shooting script to begin with. However, if the film were to have a spec script, that surely would be what it would look like.

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I'm honestly past debating this at this point. The man who taught me script formatting has been in this industry since the 70s working on A New Hope, Gremlins, Star Trek, Twilight Zone, and so much more... When someone that experienced teaches you about something he's had over 40 years of professional experience with and you can find nothing that contradicts him, why would you just believe someone on a forum over him?

Sure, what you do are commissioned scripts... but your formatting is the same as spec scripts. I'm more confused on that than anything, why aren't you writing shooting scripts?
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I'm honestly past debating this at this point.
I'm sorry to hear that. I was enjoying our little debate.
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The man who taught me script formatting has been in this industry since the 70s working on A New Hope, Gremlins, Star Trek, Twilight Zone, and so much more... When someone that experienced teaches you about something he's had over 40 years of professional experience with and you can find nothing that contradicts him, why would you just believe someone on a forum over him?
I apologize for questioning you. In general I'm a curious person interested in other
peoples opinion. I won't do it again.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:38 AM   #21
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When it gets to shooting script stage it doesn't become a NEW script. It's still the same old spec script, just the latest draft of it... and they add scene numbers if they're not already on there.

The opposite of a spec script is not a shooting script. The opposite of a spec script would be a script that is commissioned. When a studio comes to you with an idea and says "please turn this into a screenplay, here's some money" THAT'S when you're not writing a spec script.
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I'm sorry to hear that. I was enjoying our little debate.

I apologize for questioning you. In general I'm a curious person interested in other
peoples opinion. I won't do it again.
You weren't questioning though... You asked how I defined Spec Script and then you told me I'm wrong.

It's like someone puts a gun to your head and asks if you want to live. No matter your answer, you die.

I gave you my opinion and then you tried to change it.

No matter the advise given here, features scripts have two formats. One which is without production notes and the other with. If you want to call it Potato and Tomato formats, good on you. If I want to call it Spec and Shooting (as taught to me by my mentors) then I will.

It's like arguing with someone that it's just a clothes pins when it's called a C47. Names depend on where you are.
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Seems you can hear about how to format a sitcom format into a spec script format in this class. Hard to believe. Should call them "early drafts" like others do.
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You weren't questioning though... You asked how I defined Spec Script and then you told me I'm wrong.

It's like someone puts a gun to your head and asks if you want to live. No matter your answer, you die.

I gave you my opinion and then you tried to change it.
It was not my intent to put a gun to your head. My intent was to understand
your definition. I never said you were wrong, I believed you were misinformed.
You defended your definition so I asked a few questions so I could better
understand. To me that is a respectful discussion. I sorry that to you it is like a
death threat. I apologize. I won't do it again.

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No matter the advise given here, features scripts have two formats.
Yes, there are two "formats" but the screenwriter only creates scripts in one format, whether they are spec scripts or commissioned! Production or shooting scripts are not created by the screenwriter, they are effectively the screenwriter's script with notes added by members of the production team (hence "production script"), most commonly the director and DOP. These are notes created according to how the director/others want to tell the story, their interpretation, which detail items such as camera angles, etc., and as these notes are specific to the director's interpretation they cannot therefore be written by the screenwriter.

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Yes, there are two "formats" but the screenwriter only creates scripts in one format, whether they are spec scripts or commissioned! Production or shooting scripts are not created by the screenwriter, they are effectively the screenwriter's script with notes added by members of the production team (hence "production script"), most commonly the director and DOP.
This! Thanks APE - I started to write an explanation a few times but didn't get it quite right, so I decided to leave it to someone else.
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Old 03-17-2016, 12:08 PM   #27
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Yes, there are two "formats" but the screenwriter only creates scripts in one format, whether they are spec scripts or commissioned!
When Sky called Panos "lazy" and posted the screenplay.com link it sparked
my natural curiosity. When he said that "spec script" is a format I understood
why he called Panos "lazy". Since he believes every script is a "spec script"
until it is a "production scripts" I asked for a follow up. I agree with you APE
that writers create scripts in one format; a script written on speculation is in
the same format as one written on commission. No where can I find "spec script"
defined as a format - even in the filmschoolonline link Sky provided.

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