Youtube's 2 Gig Barrier

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

Okay I tried to upload the HD Mpeg version of my 22 minute production which is close to 3 Gigs in size and it woudn't upload. I had to upload an Mp4 version instead.

But, all 22 minutes uploaded on YT. The Mp4 is something like 500 Mega in size.

[Pete]

Keep in mind that the vast majority of people won't watch the full 2 GB version anyway (or 500 MB for that matter). YouTube will compress it further so people can download it in a reasonable time.

[PaulGriffith]

MP4 is the best codec for online video sites including Vimeo and YouTube, it's what they encode to and handle the best.

[IndieBudget]

H.264 using Handbrake..you will get a great image and a MUCH smaller size

[ItDonnedOnMe]

Two-pass h.264 at 8-10Mbits/second will give you great quality and should keep you easily under the 2GB limit for a 22 minute video. You won't really gain anything going higher than that as youtube is going to re-compress it to about 2Mbit/second anyway.

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

I'm rendering a H.264 version now with Adobe Premiere. But, Premiere already predicts it will be 3.02 Gigs in size making slightly larger than the HD Mpeg version. Chances are it will have the same issues with YT.

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

There is another option with Adobe Premiere a HD WMV video file that will be 863 Megs in size. I'll see what I can upload to YT tomorrow.

[ItDonnedOnMe]

Do like I said and set the data rate to around 8-10 megabits/second and it will work. Seriously.

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

The only problem with H.264 is it only has 1080i & p settings.

YouTube, DailyMotion, and IMDB are optimized for 1280 X 720p settings. And, IMDB has problems even with 1280 X 720p settings. I had to upload an mp4 version of my trailer to work on IMDB. Others have reported problems with the colors with H.264 on YT. It only works with vimeo thus far. Vimeo is optimized for H.264.

[WalterB]

Originally Posted by Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC

The only problem with H.264 is it only has 1080i & p settings.

YouTube, DailyMotion, and IMDB are optimized for 1280 X 720p settings. And, IMDB has problems even with 1280 X 720p settings. I had to upload an mp4 version of my trailer to work on IMDB. Others have reported problems with the colors with H.264 on YT. It only works with vimeo thus far. Vimeo is optimized for H.264.

I make H.264 files in all kind of dimentions all the time: 1080p 720p 576p 360p.
I use QuickTime Pro to create the H.264 versions of the exported files.
YouTube has no problem at all with 1080p.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4y9WeLP0rY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHTD4OoK-3o
are just examples of 1080p videos I put on YouTube last year.

The colorproblem might not be a YT-problem, but a gammaproblem. I always have to adjust gammasettings in the H.264 files before uploading otherwise the blacks and whites are 'grey'.

[ItDonnedOnMe]

Originally Posted by Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC

The only problem with H.264 is it only has 1080i & p settings.

YouTube, DailyMotion, and IMDB are optimized for 1280 X 720p settings. And, IMDB has problems even with 1280 X 720p settings. I had to upload an mp4 version of my trailer to work on IMDB. Others have reported problems with the colors with H.264 on YT. It only works with vimeo thus far. Vimeo is optimized for H.264.

The only part of this that is true is that IMDB maxes out at 1280x720. h.264 is a codec, not a format. It's used in MP4, quicktime, flash, AVCHD, even windows media sometimes. Youtube, Vimeo, and DailyMotion all use it, as does Netflix, Blu-ray, iPod/Phone/Pad & Android devices, DirectTV, Dish Network, many cable systems, etc. It can be used for both progressive and interlaced, at just about any resolution. In other words it'll work just fine for what you're trying to do - in fact there's no other codec that'll work as well for what you're trying to do.

The problems you're having are because you don't understand what you're trying to do, and you're doing it wrong as a result. Don't just use a preset - export as an .mov or .mp4 format, using h.264 as the codec, 10 megabits/second for the data rate, using a 2-pass encode. Do one at 1920x1080p for everyone except IMDB, and do a second one at the same settings but 1280x720p for IMDB.

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

Wow! Great examples!

You use QT Pro and I have Adobe Premiere to render H.264 files. That is how you have more rendering options than me.

I wanted to wait until I had a chance to upload. The Adobe HD wmv works like a champ with dual layered rendering (in 2 passes) with 1080 25 fps, 1080 30fps, 720 25fps, and 720 30fps options. It is really perfect for IMDB and works great on YT.

I used the 720p 25fps option for the 22 minute production. I will try it with the trailers soon.

[WalterB]

Originally Posted by Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC

Wow! Great examples!

You use QT Pro and I have Adobe Premiere to render H.264 files. That is how you have more rendering options than me.

..........

1) Thanks!

2) You are right about that. I tested Premiere to render H.264. Although encoding is way faster, I find the quality is far less than with QT Pro at the same bitrate.
I often use 3500kB/s for uploads to YouTube. That looks good enough to me.

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

I stand corrected with YT. But, I am correct about DailyMotion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dailymotion

Here is YT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube

[Modern Day Myth Prod. LLC]

Here is an example on YT of HD wmv 720p 25fps rendered in 2 passes with Adobe Premiere just for the heck of it:



And, this is an example using the Adobe HD Mpeg 720P at 25fps.



This is to compare the quality difference.

The wmv version is one third the file size.