Moire, in a big-budget movie?

It's a tiny distraction. Nevertheless, it's a distraction. Even non-experts might find their eyes drawn to it, when they should be focusing on the real drama of a scene. I kick myself when I see it in my own productions. This is an avoidable mistake.
 
Ugh, you're right. There is no excuse for that sweater.

Hadn't heard of the movie though, and it looks really fun and now I'm excited to see it. So maybe the moire was just viral marketing and it's working?
 
A moire will appear or disappear depending on the size of your screen/monitor. Generally speaking, the larger the screen, the less likely you are to see a moire.
 
Rayandmigdalia said:
A moire will appear or disappear depending on the size of your screen/monitor. Generally speaking, the larger the screen, the less likely you are to see a moire.
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Not sure where you're getting that info. I'm certainly no expert here, so if you have solid info on this subject, I'd be curious to see it.

My understanding of moire is that it's built-in to the video, and therefore there's nothing you can do to get rid of it. I have a large monitor, and I'm watching in 1080p. And I've seen my own work, in 1080p, on the big screen. The moire was still there.

And yeah, Dready, doesn't this movie look sweet?! :yes:
 
I think this movie having Moire is a good thing, cause it shows that not only do us microbudgeters have it, but big budget Hollywood can have it too. If Hollywood can have Moire on it's movies, than it makes it easier for us to get away with. I am surprised you are saying it's a distraction and criticizing it, when perhaps you should be relieved, that not every movie has to be so perfect. And why are you criticizing Moire, when you're on the indie side of the fence too, same as others here. If it's acceptable to Hollywood standards, than maybe it will not be so bad for us in the future. I see it as a positive thing.
 
harmonica44 said:
I think this movie having Moire is a good thing, cause it shows that not only do us microbudgeters have it, but big budget Hollywood can have it too. If Hollywood can have Moire on it's movies, than it makes it easier for us to get away with. I am surprised you are saying it's a distraction and criticizing it, when perhaps you should be relieved, that not every movie has to be so perfect. And why are you criticizing Moire, when you're on the indie side of the fence too, same as others here. If it's acceptable to Hollywood standards, than maybe it will not be so bad for us in the future. I see it as a positive thing.
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OMG, you're right! Last week, I saw a Hollywood movie that had a really boring story, with wooden actors. Therefore, it's okay for me to do the same! :weird:
 
What I mean is, is that Hollywood films do not have to be perfect, and I think just like low budget films shot on cameras that give off more Moire, is allowed, and everything doesn't have to be so perfect.
 
Not at all, it's just my camera produces Moire, just like many others, so I can't blame another movie for doing it when my camera does it too. I would feel like a hypocrite if I did so. Not that it is hypocrisy at all, perhaps I am looking at it the wrong way. Not trying to be mediocre, but there is no such thing as the perfect movie, and I always spot a flaw if I look hard, on any movie.
 
Incoming - Major terminology-noob is landing! Be gentle!

What exactly am I looking for when we say "moire"? I'm having trouble locating in the video what we're discussing. Is it when the camera skips frames in order to compensate for reducing the size that it was initially shot on? That's the definition I found when I snooped around, but I'm having trouble seeing that in this trailer.
 
Beatlesfan1225 said:
Incoming - Major terminology-noob is landing! Be gentle!

What exactly am I looking for when we say "moire"? I'm having trouble locating in the video what we're discussing. Is it when the camera skips frames in order to compensate for reducing the size that it was initially shot on? That's the definition I found when I snooped around, but I'm having trouble seeing that in this trailer.
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Basically, the ugly weird crap all over that guys shirt. The patterns on the shirt that look unnatural.

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Also, that weird blue/orange pattern on the arm and scattered throughout on the image about.

Basically, moire is when there are incredibly repetitive (stripes, windows) and intricate patterns that are so small and detailed that the sensor cannot process all of it because it exceeds the sensor resolution, resulting in weird waving color patterns.

harmonica44 said:
Not at all, it's just my camera produces Moire, just like many others, so I can't blame another movie for doing it when my camera does it too. I would feel like a hypocrite if I did so. Not that it is hypocrisy at all, perhaps I am looking at it the wrong way. Not trying to be mediocre, but there is no such thing as the perfect movie, and I always spot a flaw if I look hard, on any movie.
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Well, the point is trying to avoid those flaws by using the info we already have to try to create an experience that viewers can fully appreciate, instead of hearing that really odd clicking noise in the background, or the weird pattern on that guy's shirt. You can avoid moire by choosing clothing that does not result in moire being captured on camera, using slightly shallow DOF to reduce moire on buildings in the background, etc.
 
Thanks Chimp, that was incredibly helpful. Now I see what we're discussing. I think the first time it was noticeable to me, though, was at 0:47 with the suit - the pattern got all jumbled up. However, I probably wouldn't have ever recognized it if I hadn't been looking for it or known what it was off the bat.

You mention that it's an issue solved potentially by simply choosing the right clothing. Do costume designers on films take this into account with most of what they do? I'd be very curious as to whether or not this is an issue a good costume designer would know how to avoid.
 
Beatlesfan1225 said:
You mention that it's an issue solved potentially by simply choosing the right clothing. Do costume designers on films take this into account with most of what they do? I'd be very curious as to whether or not this is an issue a good costume designer would know how to avoid.
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It often depends on the camera and other gear that will be used during production. As illustrated below, different cameras can have different amounts of moire.

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I can't definitively conclude this, but I'm sure there's a possibility of dialogue between the director/costume designer/camera department on this issue sometimes. So yeah, costume designers might take it into account.
 
Yeah, I think I just noticed some moiré in some other "major" or major-ish thing I saw, and it surprised me. It was on a side of a building.

I don't know. Could it be that the director or DP isn't used to shooting digital, so they overlooked this? That's not to knock them, of course. You have so many things to juggle, not least of which, as mentioned, is what wardrobe is doing. Then throw in different kinds of digital cameras with differing limitations.

Although, sounds like on big film sets these days you're looking on external monitors while you're shooting. Wouldn't this show up right then? Or no?
 
You mention that it's an issue solved potentially by simply choosing the right clothing. Do costume designers on films take this into account with most of what they do? I'd be very curious as to whether or not this is an issue a good costume designer would know how to avoid.
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When we were shooting my feature Surviving Family, the costume designer & dp did a camera test for moire before we shot. Somehow they missed a vest that a character would be wearing in an important part of the movie and discovered the problem the day we were shooting the scenes. Fortunately the costume designer had brought some extra pieces with her; we ended up with a slightly imperfect color match on clothes, but no moire.

So yes, this is certainly something that they're atuned to.
 
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