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CootDog
10-31-2005, 07:06 PM
Casting Call (http://www.santaiscalling.com/~razor/ITOOFC4/CastingCallFinal2.mov)

Well you all.. We made it. We lost the audio recordings that were still on Liza's machine when the tornado hit.

So what you see is what you get.


Let me know what you think and VOTE!!!:yes:

NicklausLouis
10-31-2005, 07:33 PM
Direct Link Added.

Poke

John@Bophe
10-31-2005, 07:46 PM
I am not able to open this link -- would you please verify it is correct?

CootDog
10-31-2005, 08:02 PM
The link is wrong that Poke put up... it should be fixed soon!

NicklausLouis
10-31-2005, 08:09 PM
Should be working now.

Poke

CootDog
10-31-2005, 08:14 PM
It works! Thanks Poke...

Vote now Vote now!!!

bird
10-31-2005, 10:40 PM
Nice job, Cootdog!

You set up a creepy mood successfully, nice fx, too.

Congrats to you!

Zensteve
11-01-2005, 12:23 AM
Looking forward to seeing this with the alternate soundtracks. :cool:

The only thing that really bugged me about this was... the knife! So much work, detail (and threads on other boards) went into the whole "knife thing" that I was expecting it to have a much more prominent role.

Story worked perfectly, acting was great overall, I especially liked the whole lack of actual violence... just the straight jump from normality to quiet aftermath. Very chilling look from the fellow as he looked into the camera at the end.

Extremely well rounded. :cool:

Boz Uriel
11-01-2005, 02:01 AM
Came out really nicely CootDog. Naked guy in shower after a fresh kill chilled me to my bone.

CootDog
11-01-2005, 05:41 AM
We had to cut some scenes out because the audio recording was gone/destroyed/unavailable

Zen! You're telling me you didn't like the music? I thought it has a horrorish-porno type sound...

Like what kind of movie are they making here....

then Blood and death muwahahahahaaaaa

jane
11-01-2005, 08:25 AM
you sure that didn't have a budget, looks great. whos' the hunk, i think i might answer that casting call with a director that looks like that!!:yes:

Deneeecie
11-01-2005, 12:50 PM
I think this film was really well put together! Makes you want to see a full-length movie about it! Curious to know what scenes were cut out! How awful to lose a lot of your footage due to a tornado! :( GREAT JOB!

Dankmobb.com
11-01-2005, 01:09 PM
A very good turn out w/ all the chaos surrounding florida.

SirLaosson
11-01-2005, 01:41 PM
GREAT JOB!:D :clap: :clap::bow:

stephanyeah
11-01-2005, 03:48 PM
it seems good, it would be interesting to see the "destroyed" footage or a re edit. too bad about the audio. great potential though and how did you do the opening scene with the tv??????:huh:

lacasting
11-01-2005, 03:51 PM
with shots like that your not to far off from getting funding! espically coming through that hurricane?? Who's the hot director?? any production shots, poster???

SpiffyMarc
11-01-2005, 03:53 PM
it seems good, it would be interesting to see the "destroyed" footage or a re edit. too bad about the audio. great potential though and how did you do the opening scene with the tv??????:huh:
Ancient chinese secret! :-)

uniquecasting
11-01-2005, 03:55 PM
where did you get that latin George Clooney??

ralo
11-01-2005, 04:06 PM
i think there is some real talent in EVERY short posted and everyone involved did a great job, but i am biased and fear liza so i am voting for casting call!!

Dankmobb.com
11-01-2005, 04:09 PM
Im w/ Zen, what happened to that dope razor knife that was made. i seen it in 2 blinking moments, i think.. would of loved to get a very good glimpse of it upclose and in action.

directordave
11-01-2005, 04:11 PM
i would of liked to see more knife scenes, maybe more around the dead girl....just an opinion, great job!!

bird
11-01-2005, 04:20 PM
Welcome to Indietalk DirectorDave, Dankmobb, Ralo, unique Casting, Spiffy Mark, lacasting, StephanYeah, deneeecie, and Jane!

jessica
11-01-2005, 04:23 PM
thanks for the headsup jane, i will now use the casting call poster as my new desktop background.;) lets see more footage with the sexy slayer... the quality was great for an indie I question how much you spent on your post production???

CootDog
11-01-2005, 04:44 PM
The TOTAL cost for production I would say was $100. That includes meals, and many props that were'nt seen in this version of "Casting Call".

Liza Trainer is an amazing person and her genius thinking and ingenuity is outstanding. There is one shot in particular that she made a contraption for, but it didn't make it into this version.

The Knife... There are plenty of shots of it, but due to the slashed post production time, it was just not workable.

We're going to re-work this the way we really want it as well as doing a documentary. I took 4 hours of behind the scenes footage! You'll be able to see what was made, and how we did what we did...

look for more VFX shots too!

skankis
11-01-2005, 06:17 PM
Yea I could definateley had done a little better on the soundtrack. Would love to redo it if this turns into something more! I was pretty pleased with the outcome though, going from writing to final mixdown in 3 hours was a nice adrenaline rush!

Zensteve
11-01-2005, 06:23 PM
Make sure Poke knows this had a soundtrack made for it, Skankis. They'll be looking for the best one. :cool:

CootDog
11-01-2005, 07:20 PM
Yea, I didn't specifically tell him, I just put it in the credits...

Poke,
Please be advised that we have an original score in this film.

CootDog
11-02-2005, 06:20 AM
A little story about "Casting Call".

We had 3 actors and 1 crew come over to a studio, which was already done up very nicely (sticktowhatyouknow.com to see it). They were wide eyed when they saw all the guns on the walls and laying around. We joked about killing them in the bathroom as we had them put up the plastic on the walls and floor. And that's how the story arose and that's how the film turned into what it did.

When I got to Flroida I had no script. I had an idea and a big plan, but due to time constraints, we shot what really happened, sort of. All cast and crew sat in a room and we figured out the story. Then we started shooting and the film kept merging and developing into what you see in the competition. The film in the competition is not the finished deal, it's more like a teaser/trailer for the bigger one.

I guess the true story happened AFTER the shoot. There were about 5 days of post production and extra shots before Wilma destroyed everything. That's the real story, how Wilma affected the cast and crew and how they came together to help eachother and get this film done.

Liza lost her home/studio. Lalo had his car damaged. Vanessa had her car damaged. They all were without power and STILL ARE, weeks after Wilma left. Editor had to stop off at hotels and other places on the way up to Sarasota (10 hour drive) to edit the film.

We have 4 hours of BTS footage as well as the editor taping Wilma and his escapades going from place to place setting up his editing equipment to edit the film. Liza took pics during a tornado ripping a wall from her place. That's the story here. And from all of that, we will be making a documentary about making this film. It's quite an ackomplishment considering everything that happened.

John@Bophe
11-02-2005, 08:35 AM
CootDog--again, I'm very sorry to hear of the loss suffered by your team in Florida. I wish them all the best as they struggle to get back on track.

As for your movie, you have some very impressive shots. The TV effect is particularly impressive, and the bloody afternmath also works well. The close up of the blood on the cheek looked a little too bright and bubbly, but the rest of the shots were convincing. Obviously, given the circumstances it was difficult to put this film together, but I hope to see an extended cut of this someday (if it is possible). It just feels like there is more story in here, and hopefully you can help it claw its way out.

indietalk
11-02-2005, 12:15 PM
Can someone explain why these voters (and new members) have the same IP address?

stephanyeah
lacasting
uniquecasting
ralo
directordave
jessica

Thanks

CootDog
11-02-2005, 01:40 PM
Indie.

I know that ralo and director dave were using an internet cafe which was powered by a generator.

I don't know about the others.

BirdO
11-03-2005, 11:48 AM
Nobody else had used my computer and it didn't allow me to vote :grumpy: so I don't know what happened there.

-Vanessa

CootDog
11-03-2005, 08:17 PM
Vanessa,
I hope Florida isn't blocked! Did you go to this link to vote:

http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=8761&page=3

indietalk
11-03-2005, 08:21 PM
Make sure you're logged in when voting.

BirdO
11-03-2005, 08:32 PM
Yup, logged in, couldn't vote on the poster either.

-Vanessa

indietalk
11-03-2005, 08:37 PM
Must be your browser. Try pressing Ctrl + F5 for a hard refresh.

danac78
11-03-2005, 09:04 PM
Wow..it was pretty good.:)

CootDog
11-06-2005, 08:33 PM
You'll know how we did the FX and all that soon. We have to get power back in FL before pics and footage can get tossed around.

I can't wait for the extended version. There will be more FX too!

shawnmelton
11-07-2005, 09:47 PM
I'm going to start out by saying that I'm a pretty harsh critic. I'm also pretty new to the group, and you seem like a tight nit bunch... which doesn't help that me earn points with you guys. I appreciate the time and energy put into this competition - and I respect everyones participation.

but...:huh:

Story worked perfectly, acting was great overall
you sure that didn't have a budget, looks great
I think this film was really well put together! Makes you want to see a full-length movie about it!
with shots like that your not to far off from getting funding!
As for your movie, you have some very impressive shots.

Ya know... I'm just not seeing it.
I don't see any craft in the lighting.
The acting seemed thin... poorly blocked and captured.
Camera work felt lacking.
Story was a little bland - got the point from the first sequence. No suprises, no development.
The use of the filter effect is a little unclear - are we seeing a "distorted world?"

Please explain.

It doesn't feel like it's on the same level as "Talking Dead" - and the comment on this thread make me think that the people involved became new members of IndieTalk and voted for their baby, whether it was the best or not.

The only reason I'm singling this one out is because of the attention it's getting, and the ranking it's recieving. Like I said... I just don't see it.

Again, I know I'm coming accross as the jerk - but these are my thoughts. I'd love to hear other perspectives, and I'm more than willing to digress if given good reason.

CootDog
11-07-2005, 10:07 PM
I don't take your comments as being a jerk at all. I welcome them! And thanks for saying what you did. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The chapstick on the lense was put there for all the death shots. I guess you could call it a distorted world. That's Liza's handy work, she did that when we first started shooting the blood scenes and we went with it and decided to keep it there in the blood.

There were a lot of great camera work BUT you didn't get to see too much of it. We have dolly shots, etc and quite a few VFX shots that couldn't be done in time for this deadline.

There was debate about putting in the news caster due to leading, but we went with it here because some of the other shots were not available.

About the lighting.. I am not a lighting guy but I'd like you to expand on what you mean specifically.

shawnmelton
11-11-2005, 09:59 AM
I've scratched together a page of critique to review my thoughts...

Find it here: http://www.batterystudio.com/indietalk
Please excuse all my type-o's.

Let me know what you think.

Shawn.

SpiffyMarc
11-11-2005, 10:35 AM
I've scratched together a page of critique to review my thoughts...

Find it here: http://www.batterystudio.com/indietalk
Please excuse all my type-o's.

Let me know what you think.

Shawn.
Shawn,

Hi. My name is Marc Chambers, and I was the editor for Casting Call. I also directed the photography for several scenes.

I've got to say, I definitely dug your critique of the flick. As a self-proclaimed artist, I love having an impact on people with my art. Whether the result was intentional or not, someone paying attention and responding, rather than simply ignoring you and your creations, is always very encouraging and rewarding.

I promised myself I wouldn't respond to each line item, but I will say this -- your discussion of parallax, while seemingly warranted, is a style issue to me, not a technical one. While I do not particularly like this angle, and kick myself for not requesting coverage or a tighter angle here, a decision was made to shoot it this way, and it was not just because that's where the camera would fit. This applies to the mirror shot as well -- no shots were done simply because that's how the camera would fit into the room. Every shot was considered and done on purpose. Shooting certain angles simply because "The Five C's of Cinematography" says they can convey a certain idea isn't something I typically do. It's art -- experiment! Have fun!

(Reading your critique again has provided me with one additional irritant -- the unnecessary, possibly condescending use of "industry terms." The actual "footage" of the movie wasn't 1:30, that was its running time. The actual footage seems, to me anyway, to refer to everything that was shot, which was about three and a half hours. Just had to note that -- sorry!!)

In closing, again, I sincerely appreciate your critique of the film. I always say, if I can't be the best, I want to be the worst, just so I get noticed. I'm not saying that we were the worst by any means, but, I'd rather get criticism of our style and technique than no reaction at all.

If you're interested, I'd love to see a critique of a film I wrote and produced. You can find it here (http://gurufl.net/sellingthefaith.php).

Thanks,

Marc Chambers
Editor, "Casting Call"

shawnmelton
11-11-2005, 11:05 AM
Marc,

Point taken, and I apoligize... I meant running time (changed it on the page already).
I meant no harm by my verbage and I certainly didn't mean to sound condescending.

When you talk about the intentional style of the shots, could you define that style?
You probably have great reasons for them, but what I see (with my over-critical eye) are angles that seems poorly planned.
Did you storyboard? Just curious.

I keep seeing fluffy critiques - which makes me feel like people aren't taking this stuff seriously (as a craft). These groups poured tons of time into these flicks, and I think they deserve a good hard review.

Side note: you shot 3.5 hours of footage?
Holy crap - that's a 140:1 ratio of deliverable footage. How much footage were you left with after the hurricane?

I know we are all just trying to tell stories by way of an unforgiving medium.
It's a hell of a ride, ain't it?

When you've had enough of my crap, tell me to get lost. I can take it.:yes:

Shawn.

CootDog
11-11-2005, 11:09 AM
Shawn,

Wow I don't know if that's a critique or an obsessive ploy to try and get others to vote for the film you like, who knows. I do thank you for taking the time you did to do what you did. I'm not going to go over every point that you had. There are reasons certain shots are the way they are.

Effects were not able to be done on the scenes due to absolutely no time. In fact, I just got the tapes today so I can do the VFX work. Your Parallax problem in that scene is appreciated, but with all the effects you would have seen on that shot, you wouldn't have said anything. That angle and off kiltered lines are purposefully there because that will be footage from a "security camera". I've never seen a video feed from a security camera that had straight lines. Hence, to make it more realistic, make it more like a security camera.

I differ from your craziness feelings about centering the subject. Centering is what every person with a home video camera does. I don't like it. I did it for some of the scenes of "Scarred for Life" and won't do it again. That's a personal preference not a rule.

I really love the comments about contrast. It's something that we'll definitely mess with in the final version of the short. It was always going to be colorized and crimped but due to time and logistical constraints we did what we did with what we had time to do. I'm sure you may have heard a little about that.

I saved your page in case you take it down, so I can go back to your points when we get back to doing post on the film. Right now, everyone is still trying to get their lives back in order.

And no, we don't want you to get lost... We welcome your over critical response... That's how people learn right!

Spatula
11-11-2005, 11:56 AM
Wow- if you find the time, I'd love a similar critique of "Bloody Hell"!!! I was fairly happy with how our shoot went (considering me, the director, arrives late on set because of an "alarm clock failure"), but I totally agree with you about cranking down and getting an honest critique!

I do think you're being a little harsh, though. Some of these movies are either people's first attempts making movies, or at least first forays into the genre of horror. When I review these films, I take into account how well developed my first shorts were, and the endless sea of crap out there on the web. Considering some of the stuff I have sat through- this group of 10 films is pretty good in comparison.

A lot of the filmmakers are aware of thier major faults- so it's of no use to dwell on them. I usually find it more helpful to accentuate the positive aspects and make suggestions as to how the negative aspects can be improved. This competition in paritcular is a learning tool, as well as a motivation to just go out there and "do it". I know I had lots of trouble just due to the deadline as well- my composer/DoP sent me the score literally the night before the deadline... my editing program crashed about 15-20 times during the editing... the DoP shot half of our footage on 24p advanced, and I shot the other half in 29.97 (BAH!)... point being- even though this is not my first short, per se, it was an oppourtunity to face more production challenges (so as to be more prepared next time). But then again, compared to a hurricane, that's small beans. (still, to be fair, everyone must be judged according to the final product at the deadline!)

Most people have even asked for a hard critique- I mention again, I would LOVE one- so feel free to go ahead- but it's important to remember that many people here are pursuing film as a hobby, side-projects, etc.
I myself hope to be able to make a living of indie-films one day, but there is a REALLY huge learning curve to overcome. Film involves so many aspects, it's incredible. Most people try to build on one aspect at a time- my first short I focused on content and editing, my next on pacing/cinematography/sound, and Bloody Hell on acting/non-linear story/gore. Next short, I will try and pull all the elements together. I, as well as other people, would love to know what ares need improvement, and what areas seem good enough to get by with!

So to conclude (this wordy post), feel free to give out the critiques people are craving, but do try to sound like you are trying to be helpful, versus condescending. I thought the review on Casting Call was very well done- a bit biting- but that's good. If you get the time, throw me your worst!!!

bird
11-11-2005, 11:59 AM
I've scratched together a page of critique to review my thoughts...

Find it here: http://www.batterystudio.com/indietalk
Please excuse all my type-o's.

Let me know what you think.

Shawn.

Holy sh*t, Mr. Melton, that is quite the effort in analysis! Will you be devoting a page to the breakdown of ALL the entries. I think your critical eye, as well as everyone else's is appreciated but perhaps a little tact...I'm assuming you are part of the 'Talking Dead' posse as you provided the much appreciated mov file....and since 'Casting Call' and 'Talking Dead' seem to be running head to head. perhaps you could have saved this indepth for after the competition has ended.

I may not appreciate some of the tactics used to garner votes but we are not going to start placing qualifiers on who can vote or not..

And of course we want you to stay...we are here to help each other

PS and I just have to add that this rate the thread really gets on my nerves, it's like propaganda, this was a 5 star then a 3 star (sour grapes)

CootDog
11-11-2005, 01:12 PM
PS and I just have to add that this rate the thread really gets on my nerves, it's like propaganda, this was a 5 star then a 3 star (sour grapes)

Bird, For some reason I don't understand your PS. Are you saying that this thread is getting on your nerves? If so, why? 5 star 3star sour grapes, Please explain.

Spatula
11-11-2005, 01:22 PM
Bird, For some reason I don't understand your PS. Are you saying that this thread is getting on your nerves? If so, why? 5 star 3star sour grapes, Please explain.

I believe she is referring to the "Rate this thread" option. Obviously, somebody voted the thread highly, and then someone else came and knocked it down- the thread rating tool is not for that use- it's to determine what would be a helpful/good thread versus a detrimental/negative thread.
Generally, you would use the fuction to rate a thread containing valuable information highly, and one filled with mis-information and slander with a lower rating.

shawnmelton
11-11-2005, 01:54 PM
Great - so much to discuss.:bang:
I'll be brief - sorry if this has turned sour for anyone. Definitely not my intention.

I started my critique on this because it's in the running. I'm creating a similar page on "Talking Dead" right now. It'll be posted soon.

Quote from CootDog:
I am not a lighting guy but I'd like you to expand on what you mean specifically.(I may have run farther than CootDog asked me to on this one... Sorry. Since he asked, I responded.:) )

I'm assuming you are part of the 'Talking Dead' posse as you provided the much appreciated mov file....Clarification - I didn't help with the "Talking Dead" concept, , preperation, shoot or editing.
I posted it to their website for them as I am their webmaster. That's it.
I did help concept, prep (a little), shoot (a little) with "No Strings Attached."
It was Boz's baby, and was executed his way.

I don't know if that's a critique or an obsessive ploy to try and get others to vote for the film you like.

I may not appreciate some of the tactics used to garner votes
I don't really care how this ends up - as there is no benifit for me. I think people should vote for whichever film impresses them and tells the story effectively. I was actually leaning towards "Annoying Brian" because it's so frickin funny, and I love it!:lol:

Effects were not able to be done on the scenes due to absolutely no time.....
That angle and off kiltered lines are purposefully there because that will be footage from a "security camera". Since it doesn't look like security camera footage, how would I ever know that?
You seem to have lots of "my footage is distroyed so I couldn't do this" and "we ran out of time, so this isn't how we wanted it" replies.
I can truly appreciate - and I fully understand your lose. That TRULY sucks... but I'm just reviewing the film I'm seeing - not the potential film you keep describing. They seem like 2 different animals. Again - I'm sorry for your lose down there. I'd love to see the finished product.

I differ from your craziness feelings about centering the subject....
That's a personal preference not a rule.
My comment says - "side note" - not "rule." Feel free to differ.

Will you be devoting a page to the breakdown of ALL the entries.I just don't have time to do them all.

I'm sorry to anyone who finds this thread annoying - I can definitely hold off with any more commentary until after the voting.
Like I said, just let me know if you don't want to hear it anymore. I know my critiques are biting - I've never been soft-spoken. But I welcome it just like I give it. If we don't sharpen each other, we'll never make it out there.

CootDog
11-11-2005, 02:10 PM
Like I said, just let me know if you don't want to hear it anymore. I know my critiques are biting - I've never been soft-spoken. But I welcome it just like I give it. If we don't sharpen each other, we'll never make it out there.


I totally agree! If we don't tell each other what's right or wrong how can we progress and become better at this?

About your critiques biting and not being soft, I'd rather have the exactness that you did on the website you created.

I have always said "It's better to be cut from a sharp knife than a dull one. It heals faster."

So even if this hurts or bites, it's brief. Take a deep breath and absorb the information. Use it or discard it, but don't ignore it.

John@Bophe
11-11-2005, 02:59 PM
Shawn -- My experience with this board is that the members appreciate criticism...as long as not hurtful or mean-spirited. So far, your comments have been specific and constructive, so you should not shy away from offering your opinions.

One thing I would like to point out, though (to everyone, really) -- we should remember that some filmmakers opt to "break" or "ignore" filmmaking rules for stylistic reasons. There seems to be an accepted standard set of rules for making a commercially viable film. If your goal is to make a commercial success, you would do well to study and follow these rules. If your goal is to make a movie that personally satisfies your sense of style, then the same rules need not apply. You are always free to make the movie your way.

People may not always like the movie you make ... but that doesn't mean it is wrong ... only different.

bird
11-11-2005, 03:48 PM
I believe she is referring to the "Rate this thread" option. Obviously, somebody voted the thread highly, and then someone else came and knocked it down- the thread rating tool is not for that use- it's to determine what would be a helpful/good thread versus a detrimental/negative thread.
Generally, you would use the fuction to rate a thread containing valuable information highly, and one filled with mis-information and slander with a lower rating.

Exactly! I apologize if I wasn't clear.

Everyone appreciates constructive criticism, I just question Mr. Melton's choice of (the only critical) 'example' and it's timing, then his disclaimer regarding his lack of time to give the other entries equal critique time. If I had voted for either of the frontrunners, I think I'd rescind my vote for 'bad sportsmenship'.:tongue:

ps-I just noticed this was my 666th post....:devil:

shawnmelton
11-11-2005, 04:05 PM
Like I said, I have nothing to gain.
I wasn't plotting and scheming to drop a bomb on anyone, just offering my opinions.

Also, I am working up a critique of "Talking Dead" - the other front runner. I just don't have time to review them ALL.

SM.

dylan61
11-11-2005, 07:30 PM
If I had voted for either of the frontrunners, I think I'd rescind my vote for 'bad sportsmenship'.

That would suck, considering I haven't said anything about any of this. So much for trying to stay out of it I guess.:mope:

CootDog
11-13-2005, 10:52 AM
Also, I am working up a critique of "Talking Dead" - the other front runner.
SM.


I wonder why this isn't up yet :huh: Maybe out of convenience:huh: With only one and a half days left to vote I guess it won't matter:huh:

While I love the critique and the site of examples explaining what you think is wrong, I am just wondering if the timeing of mine being up early and the other one being up late has mal. intent. I don't know?? But Friday morning before the big push it was put up and now it's Sunday and still nothing. I guess you all can make your own decisions.:hmm:

I also find it curious that the only posts by Mr. Melton have been about helping "Talking Dead" and well if you're reading this thread, you know what has been said here.:hmm:

indietalk
11-13-2005, 12:17 PM
I also find it curious that the only posts by Mr. Melton have been about helping "Talking Dead" and well if you're reading this thread, you know what has been said here.:hmm:
You are correct. shawnmelton and dylan61 are using the same IP address and the same DSL subscriber. There are also three more, liquidrogue, GirlsGripToo, SteadySam. All 5 voted for this film. Four votes removed.

One vote per IP. If this happens again, the film will be disqualified.

Let's keep this thing fair folks, or there isn't going to be another contest.

CootDog
11-13-2005, 03:57 PM
Well there were also some people using the same computer to vote for my film as well. I don't know how many, but I think you caught them and removed the votes.

To stop the contreversy and do it politically, removing the "People's Choice Award" must have been the only option by management. Do I like it, ofcourse not because I was in the lead, at least the last time I checked.

I definitely do not want the ITOOFC's to end. If this is what has to happen in order for there to be an ITOOFC#5 then so be it.

Maybe some official rules should be drawn up if there is another people's choice.

Since there is no more People's Choice award, does that mean the poster contest is removed as well?

skankis
11-13-2005, 05:40 PM
Didnt realize people took this contest seriously enough to cheat on it. Crazy stuff. Very interesting observations there coot dog. I still like his review though even it its sole purpose was to bring down your votes.

CootDog
11-13-2005, 06:04 PM
I agree. I wonder if he backed out before or after the People's Choice Award was removed. I think that we could have won the award at least we were in the lead the last time I checked, before it was canceled.

skankis
11-13-2005, 06:17 PM
probably after, when he found out he got busted :cool:
when was it canceled? isnt it supposed to end tommorow anyway?
was there more multiple ips found to be used under the casting call votes after the first initial one from the people using the same comp at the cafe?
whatevers clever. Maybe another award will come your way.

dylan61
11-13-2005, 06:40 PM
Are you guys talking about me?

skankis
11-13-2005, 06:50 PM
I dont know, just talking about the vote being withdrawn and if people were cheating or what was going on.

John@Bophe
11-13-2005, 06:58 PM
I think the best thing we could do is let the issue drop. The purpose of this site (in my eyes, at least) is to help and support each other in our projects. Dwelling on an issue like this seems too 'negative' ...

CootDog
11-13-2005, 07:00 PM
I think it sux that something I was on the lead on, ended abruptly and no award given. Wether you or shawn or both are the same person, I don't know but I just think it sucks. we know why multiple IPs were used to vote for my film and they were removed. I just haven't heard an explaination for you.

CootDog
11-13-2005, 07:02 PM
True John....:yes:

liquidrogue
11-13-2005, 09:13 PM
I think too much and not enough has already been said. This whole thing sucks. Shawn and Dylan are not one in the same but it's funny that you guys would think that. It's also impressive that you think we would stoop to a level of talking crap about your film in order to get more votes for ourselves. I am Keith Golinski the photographer and editor of Talking Dead. I have sat idely by and watched this unfold. Dylan is the writer and Director of Talking dead. Shawn Melton is the photographer of no strings attached. Shawn told Dylan and Myself about the contest and we thought it would be fun to enter. We (dylan and myself) own our own company and Shawn owns a 3-D animation company. We share the same Floor of an office building and the same wireless network. Shawn and Dylan are not one in the same. I'm impressed at the story that you guys have concocted though. you may have a job in pictures.

We never cared about winning the peoples choice award we could care less. Not to say that the votes we did get didn't mean anything to us. I think the talking dead thread speaks for itself. The remarks we received from total strangers was reward enough for us. For you guys to accuse us of stacking the vote however...enough has been said about that already.

It's too bad. This whole thing is just too bad. It's ruining it for everyone else.

indietalk
11-13-2005, 09:18 PM
For the record, IndieTalk is not accusing anybody of anything, we just need to do the popular vote a different way next time. Let's move on. :)

CootDog
11-13-2005, 10:06 PM
I have to say that this is has put a bad taste in the mouth and I personally don't like it. There are perfectly reasonable explainations why multiple people would have the same IP address. An office building running on 1 internet T1 with 1 firewall. If 50 workers are there, they could all vote but would all show the same IP address. I think that we do need to visit how the "People's Choice Award" is run next time. We'll need some rules.

To the "Talking Dead" crew and Shawn. I'm sorry if you felt I was accusing you all of padding the votes. I guess that even if you were or weren't it shouldn't be an issue now. I really do appreciate the Critique Shawn. I've said it many times and hope you believe me. "Talking Dead" is a great short and it blew me away. Very good story and very well put together. The locations were pretty awesome, made me feel like I was there.

I guess I shouldn't be talking about another film in this thread, but I just want to leave this thing, this anamosity and tension, right now... I want it to end. May the best film, win. It's up to the judges now.

I'm sorry for the people that voted in the people's choice award. We'll figure it out next time and hopefully have a winner.

shawnmelton
11-14-2005, 01:31 AM
I agree... bad taste all around. I'm washing my hands of it. I'm wishing I hadn't offered my opinions at all.
I'll post my comments on "Talking Dead" - then, I think I'll be checking out of this forum... Not because of the voting or whoever wins or loses - I really don't care -- but because I don't think things are on the level (administration excluded). It seems like accusations have been back handed, and I'm not interested in being a part of it. Too schitzophrenic for me.

CootDog - I appreciate the apology.
IndieTalk and Bophe - thanks for babysitting us.

Boz Uriel
11-14-2005, 02:01 AM
yeah, me too. turns my stomach. Pass me the soap shawn.

bird
11-14-2005, 08:09 AM
Originally Posted by bird
If I had voted for either of the frontrunners, I think I'd rescind my vote for 'bad sportsmenship

Ditto, and ditto, again. Quit whining, neither of you guys have been victimized. We voting members knew what the h*ll was happening. Thanks for ruining the people's choice with your little manuevers.

NicklausLouis
11-14-2005, 09:49 AM
I got to step up for the Talking Dead folks here. They stated that they all work in the same building, so this explains the number of accounts coming from the same IP (at least for now anyway).

Don't get down on them because they were accused of cheating when they didn't feel that they had and now are a bit put off by our normally accepting communities' criticism of them.

Poke

Spatula
11-14-2005, 10:05 AM
I ain't got no beef with anyone. I don't even have any bacon...

There's no need to leave, Shawn. Misunderstandings happen, and yes, this seemed a little paranoid on both ends, but to the average, uninvolved person, it's no biggie.

Stick around, Shawn- I loved your critique. You seem like a knowledgable fellow- let's just all put aside our differences and continue on the quest for knowledge.

This is a friendly enviroment- I think the heat of the competetion got the better of some people- but that's over in a few days, and we can get back to discussions!

-Logan

CootDog
11-14-2005, 01:01 PM
I think Shawn would make a GREAT DP He really seems to know his craft.