I am looking to do a For-Profit feature film..however I am not wealthy and I don't want to rely on bank loans alone. I have been reading some other threads in this section and it all seems to be for the non-profit documentary.

I live in Florida...any ideas about the grants in my state...namely the ones for filming in the sate or mentioning a city. Do I need to fully explain every detail about my film (like it being a full feature with adult scenes..porn with a storyline and SFX basically) or can I omit that and go about my business with a very general overview of the main concept of my film for a grant proposal?

Any other grants..perhaps non-film but ones aimed at small business and such? Can I apply for and accept more than 1? I was watching an infomercial on TV with that crazy guy who dresses like the riddler and talks about gov't grants that ppl don't even know about (he was on oprah as well and his book is for real) Has anyone attempted any of those for your films?

You're looking for grants and not investors?
A lot of the time you DO have to compete for a grant. I've seen it where they require a copy of the script.
Investors will more likely want to know the business plan, who's attached (cast and crew) and if there are any agreements with distribution, etc.

What is the budget for your film?

its basically up in the air right now..I am getting a bankloan in april...pretty much as much as i can rake up but possibly 15-20grand after equipment + whatever I can rake up in my grant research and such.

So what do you have right now? A script? Do you have anyone attached?
Who's the director?
Who's the DOP?
Editor?
Sound?
etc....

Do you need to buy the equipment or find a DOP that has their own?

Who's the producer?

Your FX, will they be done in post or in production or both?

Before you get a loan, have you figured out a business plan, marketing and all that?

So what do you have right now? A script? Do you have anyone attached?

Who's the director? I am The Director
Who's the DOP? My Business Partner and a close friend with many Indie Films under his belt
Editor? Me -- Power Mac G5 Final Cut Studio
Sound? Still looking for a sound guy
etc....

Do you need to buy the equipment or find a DOP that has their own? Buying my own equipment..renting sound and light equipment

Who's the producer? Myself and my Business Partner

Your FX, will they be done in post or in production or both? Both

Before you get a loan, have you figured out a business plan, marketing and all that?

Obviously my responces are in bold to the previous post.. I have a few script ideas and 1 script that is fairly far into development... my ideal start time of this project is not until Summer/Fall 2006.

Business plan I have not written out formally yet but I have an informal 1 that I wrote for myself, I am applying for personal loans however instead of a loan to the business or the film itself...less questions and less of a chance of being turned down because its an adult feature.

Marketing Is so far beyond taken care of at this point lol.... I work at an adult store as well as one of the largest clusters of radio stations in Florida. The Adult Store will distribute my film in its 3 locations at first and then we will talk about branching out from there..they will also sponsor the premiere. The Radio station..I am in good with the host of each talk show and they have already said that when its gets closer I can go the air with a few of them to put the word out on the number #1 station in town as well as promote the premiere and the pre-production casting call which I am in talks now with some close personal friends who happen to be influential in our local music scene to run a fundraising concert at a large venue to raise money for production cost and talent fees. As well as the promo teams for the radio stations broadcasting from the concert every so often before breaks to bring out some of their established fan base.

I am also trying to create a nice logo for my company to go on T-Shirts and booty shorts, hats etc to hand out at the event.

This is all planned out pretty well..only thing is I am looking to off set some of the personal cost to me, thats why I was hoping that perhaps grants may be the way to go. I did some research yesterday and it looks as if you have to submit a finished product to them and mostly documentaries and such are the ones with the most oppourtunities. Any grants that aim at the more risque pictures that you hear about at sundance and such?

I'm misunderstanding, you're trying to find grants to make porn? Or trying to get a loan which you plan on using to make porn?

If that is the case, my personal opinion is that no grants exist to support a project which will have an NC-17 rating, and no bank will loan you money for a film of that nature, and any bank that gives you a personal loan will indeed request to know where that money will be spent. Further even if you could get a loan for it, bank loans are the most risky way to finance a film besides maxing your CC's. And getting a personal loan, not incorporating or forming a LLC or LLP for the picture means if your film makes no money you are screwed for life.

Personally, and I dont know a lot about making porn mind you as most of us are filmmakers who are trying to avoid NC-17 ratings, I would believe that 99% of all porn is bankrolled by 1 or 2 producers who have a secured distrobution package before even shooting, hence the ultra low cost to make porn is EASILY overcome by DVD sales. I wouldn't try to go down any other road if I were you.

I am looking into forming an LLC with my lawyer.. I spoke with him last week about it. The personal loan would be in my name and I would do monthly payments *like a car payment*...even if the worst case scenario happened I would be responsable for the monthly payments for the term of the loan (4 to 6 years) all I would have to say would be that I am looking to fix up a house or something of that nature. No Maxing out of the credit cards required. My Business partner that 2nd producer you mentioned.. is also applying for a loan of the same nature to offset some of the production/talent fees. The film would be a XXX feature film with a run time of 2hrs 30 min distributed on DVD and VHS for $49.99 - $34.99 at 3 locations in the state of florida with a mail order option and website space on the store website... once the sales figures begin to roll in I have the option to branch out and furthur the deal.


The type of grant I would be looking for would be to pay for equipment etc so that I don't have such a large overhead of money owed. I am also interested in grants aimed at stimulating small business to help the economy, but all the film grants I have seen require you to submit the film for review... doesn't really help me if I need the $$$ to start my production. I am not really worried about my film not selling..adult features have a way of selling themselvesand I have ann excellent graphic artist and some stunningly beautiful women very interested in being apart of something big. Looking for info on ways to raise money..and perhaps sucess stories of people who have done an R rated or higher film that has been concidered controversial and some org took a chance on them. I really believe in this film..and I believe that it could be as big as "Deepthroat" was in the 70's...only problem is that I need money....and as much as I can get my hands on to bring that vision to life... be it a big loan..the lotto...or grants that help controversial films out.

Ok let me explain this. If you include real sex in your film or even just a certain amount of frontal nudity it will be NC-17 which is unaccepted by every grant I have ever examined.

This is not a dispute over whether a film like this could be good, its about whether it is viable to cross the line into NC-17. Under NC-17= movie for general audiences. Over NC-17 = Not for general audiences. There are no grants for the latter, I believe.

We all need money for our films, and as I tried to tell you, you'd best find some private money to fund this rather than go down a different route, although I'm not sure a seasoned producer is going to want to fund a film with a story since all anyone wants in a porn DVD is 2hrs of porn and not a story.

But, good luck.

I understand what your saying..and honestly I do appreciate it...not trying to argue (downside to typing,,you can't get a feel for a persons tone) :)

With finding personal funders...is there away to do this and not lose creative control over my film. The idea is to work for myself not have a "boss" per-say... and storyline based films are making an incredible comeback in the past few months.....the porn-only dvds have become so old hat that people want something new.... look up a film called Pirates from Digital Playground... good story..good script..decent acting.... amazingly hot women and steamy scenes (6 in total) = more money than you would know what to do with lol.

Thats a big budget ($286,000 film the "Titanic" of Adult Hollywood) film but you can see where I am going with this..the couples market is something that has not been paid attention 2 in a long long time, and now its coming backin a big way.

I understand what your saying..and honestly I do appreciate it...not trying to argue (downside to typing,,you can't get a feel for a persons tone) :)

With finding personal funders...is there away to do this and not lose creative control over my film. The idea is to work for myself not have a "boss" per-say...

No, there would be ways of writing into the contract a certain amount of creative control but no decent investor (producer) will take a silent roll especially if they are bankrolling 100% of the cost of your film. I personally understand the desire to be your own boss and have nobody to answer to. But you would have to write yourself in as 51% producer in order to retain total control of your picture. On the short I am about to shoot, my producer will be providing 25% of the budget including assets he brings to the picture. Therefore I stand in good position to retain nearly total control of the picture (he has tried to bring ideas to the table which would take the story in a different direction and they have been shot down. One reasonable request he has made I will fulfill). If you were somehow able to retain 51% ownership of the film and in writing discuss that the film will be creatively controlled through post production as your own you might have a shot at it. But see for my short I am putting up a little of my own personal money for the budget in a way so I was able to basically demand my own terms.

Thats a big budget ($286,000 film the "Titanic" of Adult Hollywood) film but you can see where I am going with this..the couples market is something that has not been paid attention 2 in a long long time, and now its coming backin a big way. Well Ive seen Boogie Nights a million times so I understand where you are coming from but again we are not talking about the possibility for ROI, we are talking about a fundamental difference between your film and legitamite cinema, which is the necessity for an NC-17 rating, and since this stems from sexual scenes, this will label your film Porn of which no grants I believe exist for (for good reason too as most grants stem from donations and private funds controlled by non-profits or corporations of some type) and as far as I know there is no possible way to convince a bank to essentially bankroll a film containing pornography, as they too are corporations with strict guidelines.

thats why they would not be "funding a film containing pornography" lol they would be funding a personal loan to "remodel my house" ;) :yes: :lol:

and yeah I understand the whole.. grants are from public money and they would freak if it went to porn..concept. I guess I was hoping to just squeak by under some sort of "controversial film grant" which sadly does not exist :(

I take it you've never gotten a loan before, because that's not how it works.

I take it you've never gotten a loan before, because that's not how it works.


I got 1 for my car..didn't really ask a lot of questions and I never had to show them I actually bought a car. What would they require..cause the bank lady I talked to made it seem quite simple.

Lets say I go in and apply for the loan and say it is for a film.....do I need to spill the beans about every aspect of my film? Or can I give an overview of the film minus the 6 nude scenes?

You typically have an itemized list and hire people or make purchases which you are then reimbursed for by the bank. These allotments are based from actual receipts and invoices, not word of mouth. They usually send someone to check on your progress several times, and then for final approval. A car loan is totally different, and as long as you continue to make your payments there is no issue but if you didnt they would repo your car, and if you didnt have that car, well you should read your loan application carefully.


Lets say I go in and apply for the loan and say it is for a film.....do I need to spill the beans about every aspect of my film? Or can I give an overview of the film minus the 6 nude scenes?


Banks usually do not loan for films. They might loan to a company for a project however, and there are other types of loans that you can get through a bank that are not straight up loans but a three-way type of deal (no not the three way you're thinking of).


I'm trying to tell you there is a reason why you dont hear about any porn being funded outside of private financiers.

yeah I hear ya...

Any Idea if they have loans that work like a car loan that I can use for what I might need...what if I was getting a loan to pay my credit cards etc.... how would they check up on that... as long I make payments and they get their money back I really don't see why they would have an issue aside from the conotation (which I fully understand IS the issue)

I will def look into private investors but are there any "no questions asked until you miss a payment" kinda deals at any banks.

In short, no. Every bank would be out of business if they lended money like that.

I would also heavily advise you to not lie to a bank on an application for the purpose of the loan, I would assume this would be some type of a legal offense.

yeah I guess so... I was under the impression that a bulk majority of loans worked like a car loan...make payments everyone is happy... Sadly from what your saying that is not the case.

As I said earlier I am forming an LLC.. if I got a business loan to the LLC with them knowing that the money goes to the film, do I need to say that it is anything over an R-rating..its not lying on the app but its not coming and saying its an adult feature..opening myself up to blatant discrimination on the part of the bank. Who is to say that if they required a copy of the film I couldn't just send them an R-Rated Cut for viewing? Would that be legally wrong?

Ok well Im not prepared to give you legal advice or anything or tell you whether lying to the bank or sending them a false copy of your film would be legal.

At this point all I could do is suggest that even considering doing such is pretty shady and would likely end you up in legal trouble. I would consult my lawyer regarding this if I were you.

I'm also not entirely sure you can get a bank to loan yourself or your company money to make a film straight up. That is something you would have to ask them.

Before you go and do something you might regret, you might want to weigh the risks.

Porn is not (conceptually) controversial, the controversy arises in proving it's an artform as a pre-requisite to apply for a (fine arts) grant.

I believe that with a public funded grants agency (NEA, etc), it's MUCH harder to receive funding for such a work then privately funded programs which may be willing to entertain works with graphic images if THEY deem these are art. (Therein lies the catch-22.... what constitutes 'art' to them?).

There are MANY MANY avenues to get money for making Porn. I would suggest you look into the adult film industry. It is a very lucrative genre. Also I have NEVER heard anyone paying $49.99 for a DVD unless it was a training DVD. I'm not into porn so I don't know the going rate.

I am worried that you're going to get a loan for say, $30,000 and you still don't have a plan or know much about the entire process including marketing and distribution. Your $30,000 loan at 7% interest over 5 years will cost you over $500 per month. You will have to sell 721 DVDs @ $49.99, OR 1000 DVD's @ $29.99, OR 1,500 DVD's at $19.99 JUST to break even and that's if you're using part of the $30,000 to MAKE the DVDs. But that's if YOU sell them for Retail price. In order to do that you have to have a VERY good marketing plan.
Did you think about distribution? If you sell the DVD's for $5.00 wholesale, you need to sale over 6000 units to break even.

Like I said, Porn is a very popular genre and one that makes a lot of money. There's a lot more you have to worry about in production too. Make sure you check the laws in your state and city for the actual porn shots.

I have also never heard of a porn film being 2 and a half hours.

Make sure your lawyer is knowledgable in adult film law so you'll know what's legal and not. Perhaps you can look for a producer that will shoot this with their equipment, allow you to direct, etc... Conventional means to get funding won't work because your film is not conventional. Taking a second on the house is an option and you get to write off the interest and you get to fund the film and take all the risk. Don't forget about insurence.

Thanks for your responce cool dog.

I have a lawyer and I am fully aware of the legal aspects of filming an Adult Film (2257 age verification, etc etc) The average rate for any porn DVD is $39.99 - $61.99 depending on the quality etc you would be on the lower or upper side of the spectrum. Porn with a storyline (which is what I am looking into) can go from 2hrs minimum to 2 1/2 hrs (since there are 6 sex scenes at around 10-15 min a piece the actual story part ends up being about 1 1/2 hrs ) straight up just sex films can go from 1hr 45min to 6hrs even 16hrs.

I also understand the process of everything required for my film..including Marketing and Distribution which I have a pretty good handle on for a Regional release on both a marketing and a distribution level. I have a very large majority of things figured out.. I was just looking into other means of obtaining money before I go talk to an accountant and my Bank. I figured if people could get a grant for throwing pieces of metal together to form some shape that looks like absoluetly nothing can get grants to fund their crap why couldn't I... I now see that grants be it Govt or private are not for me....sure glad I pay those taxes every year

Well I knew it was lucrative but didn't realize how much so.... VERY cool!

You've obviously done your research and that which a lot of people DON'T do. You're not just jumping into it, you've researched it, know the market and know the risks. You are on the right track with this... Even if the movie doens't take off right away, you still will have the equipment to use again and experience running it.

Good Luck... Please keep me abreast of the progress...

I figured if people could get a grant for throwing pieces of metal together to form some shape that looks like absoluetly nothing can get grants to fund their crap why couldn't I..

Heh...I'm not even gonna.... my lips are sealed.

I figured if people could get a grant for throwing pieces of metal together to form some shape that looks like absoluetly nothing can get grants to fund their crap why couldn't I..

Right, their abstract sculpturing art is totally inferior to your pornography.

Well I knew it was lucrative but didn't realize how much so.... VERY cool!

Of course its lucrative, I think porn is the #1 US product. But then you're making pornography and not cinema.

You've obviously done your research and that which a lot of people DON'T do. You're not just jumping into it, you've researched it, know the market and know the risks. You are on the right track with this... Even if the movie doens't take off right away, you still will have the equipment to use again and experience running it.

I completely disagree. Scamming on loan applications and not clearly understanding why pornography is not art and therefore it has no grant potential - clearly not understanding how the financing of his own industry works, these things spell bad news for first time directors of any genre. "Even if the movie doesn't take off" If he defaults on a loan payment because he is basing his entire payments off his ROI for the picture, guess what happens to him?


And an aside I am proud to pay my taxes and would have some severe issues with my government if I found out my tax dollars went to fund pornography.

I guess I have a question.

Are you doing this because you want to make films and this just seems like an easy way to make money doing it?

Are you doing this because you want to make money?

Or, are you doing this because you really want to make porn?

I think the answer is important, because if your real interest is in being a serious film maker at some point in your life, then you want to consider whether you want a stack of porn credits on your CV.

If this is a just a money thing then you've got a lot to learn. Porn is one of the largest most profitable industries in the world. If you've done your homework into how the international distribution network works, and have established contacts, then your business plan alone should bring in more than enough investment to cover your production costs. This is because there are always people out there who don't care where their money comes from providing the ROI is good enough. The thing you need to be careful of is money laundering (in particular drug money) is often done through porn production. If you're only into the money, then the idea of creative control is a nonsense.

If the truth is that you just want to make porn, well, I haven't any advice for you. The adult industry isn't really part of the indie filmmaking industry. We just use the same tools. The difference is that it takes real skills to make a good indie film, especially if you're working with lo-no budgets. With porn, any monkey with a couple of camcorders and a copy of imovie can make and sell a product.

You guys make a good point... Especially you Clive. You touched on something I was going to mention but thought that they already thought about it.

I'm talking about making porn then trying to switch over to cinema films. I personally know someone that was a porn "actress" (lol) that can't get a real cinema job because of the background. She's doing no pay indie films to get enough of a resume to remove the porn stuff all together. She can't mention it or it's out the door with a kick in the A$$.

If this is what you want your career to be, being a porn producer, then good luck because more than likely you'll have to stay there... If you've ever thought about making real movies, then keep thinking and kick the porn idea to the curb.

Why not make a documentary about people that try to leave the porn industry and get real jobs? That way you get to make somehting real, get to learn more about the porn industry and how hard it is to do anyhting besides it. Then after you get done editing it all, make your decision to "jump in" or not.

But then you're making pornography and not cinema.

I completely disagree. Scamming on loan applications and not clearly understanding why pornography is not art and therefore it has no grant potential - clearly not understanding how the financing of his own industry works, these things spell bad news for first time directors of any genre. "Even if the movie doesn't take off" If he defaults on a loan payment because he is basing his entire payments off his ROI for the picture, guess what happens to him?



Ahhh I see how it is...so even if the script were to be on par with one of your films..which obviously is concidered art..and my girls pull off a good performance worthy of one of your films...it is still not art because it has sex scenes..... thats quite closed minded..especially for such a prestigious artist as yourself :rolleyes:

Who exactly are you to say that porn is not art....sure its not as mainstream as the latest star-trek fan pic but it has a purpose that you obviously don't value..which is fine..but again who are you..and why should I care that you or anyone else doesn't concider it art.

I asked a simple question about grants and loans..and now it comes down to saying that was attempting to Scam on my loan app... I asked a question and posed a scenario that was it. And I do have a very good idea about each aspect of my industry (surprised you could muster up the respect to refer to it as an industry) I am not a lawyer nor am I an accountant..I had a question about funding from other sources other than private companies. Because much like Hollywood, not a lot of places will just hand money to up-start directors for a first film. And who said anything about defaulting on my payments..whether the film was successful or not has zero to do with my payments except for how long it will take for me to be done with them.. my stand on the entire loan thing, and the reason I even asked the question is this:

I have the Credit, and the collateral and the payment history to back up a substantial loan...why would I have to put up with questions about where the money is going?! Your getting it back so stfu. I also do not feel that I should be discriminated against by a bank to say nope....it contains naughty dirty things so no money for you...go up and ask for money for Texas Chainsaw 3 and you have money thrown at you..you can get grants and money and product placement....its disgusting


Almost as disgusting as how close minded some of the people on this board are who are supposed artist..which apparently I am not according to.........

I have chosen Adult Film because it is the last bastion of truely free expression..no regulations except for an over-zealous judge or 2 imposing laws that get thrown out by the supreme court. No MPAA standing over a directors back saying.. cut this down..or nope 2 many boobs it might get an NC-17... GASP golly gee we sure don't want to rock the boat.

Could the hostility be because of the fact that my film..or films like it have far more potential to make money than the latest indie film from Jim Bob and his band of merry men. Who is the one with the "Real Job"

To answer an earlier post... I chose Porn because that is what I want to do..and the money is amazing....I also enjoy the "actress" accompanied by the lol...I wonder if the big boys in Hollywood think the same of you guys.


If the truth is that you just want to make porn, well, I haven't any advice for you. The adult industry isn't really part of the indie filmmaking industry. We just use the same tools. The difference is that it takes real skills to make a good indie film, especially if you're working with lo-no budgets. With porn, any monkey with a couple of camcorders and a copy of imovie can make and sell a product.


Ahhh...so porn doesn't take any skills. Gonzo porn perhaps not that is the amateur circuit by far however storyline based films take as much..if not more...skill to make than an indie production of any calibur..because not only do you have to write the compelling script and get a good performance on the dialouge..you also have to film the sex scenes.... but I guess those don't take skill.

What IS art, anyways?

As it happens I do know of one serious artist who works in porn, her name is Anna Span and she got her degree in fine art at St Martin in the Field, London, before going into the adult industry as a producer/director. I also know some really interesting people who've worked in the adult industry, actresses who've moved into producing and directing.

However, I think this thread has kind of proven my point. If you decide to do porn films, a lot of people are not going to take your work seriously. You will get negative reactions from other indie filmmakers, because porn is seen as different. If you are serious about going into that industry then you are going to have to get used to that.

I'm sure that it is possible to make a porn film with good acting and superb production values, but the truth is that the people who are buying it aren't paying $40 for the cinematography, or the acting, or the script... are they? That's what I meant when I said a monkey with two camcorders can make porn. In terms of you how measure the sucess of the product, either in sales or TV distribution, production values are not an issue. You can make just as much money, if not more, by throwing your artistic and production values out of the window and by giving the punters what they really want, which is to watch people fuck.

And the idea that by showing people fucking, which is the most mundane human activity imaginable, somehow represents greater artistic freedom is nonsense. You aren't going into an industry with greater artisitic freedom, you're going into an industry with the most restricted choice of potential content in the world. It can by it's very nature only be about one thing, sex, not only that it is only about sex at a physical level, so it will never have the artistic integrity of say "Last Tango in Paris" or "Blue Velvet"

The truth is that you probably will make more money than I ever will as an indie film maker, but that doesn't make you an artist. When I make a film my work only sells if I suceed as an artist, my plot, quality of acting and production values aren't an added bonus, they are the product. I have to be a very, very good writer and director to get an audience, you don't.

Just be happy that you're getting lots of money and are doing what you want to do, don't expect to get respect as an artist as well.

...okay, rbp2005...I don't pretend to know all there is to know about grant funding, but this is my opinion...

...If what you are looking for is funding for pornography, I don't think you are going to find any takers. If at any point pornography was art, it has moved so far away from this idea that you would be hard pressed to find anyone who is going to buy that line of rationale. I know, from watching dateline or 60minutes or 20/20 and a couple of documentaries on the pornography industry (had to watch and critique a documentary on pornography for a class once, no kiddin'), I know that there is alot of money to be made, but there is money in the sale of marijuana and I just don't see anybody lining up to give you a stand at Wal-Mart....

If what you are going to do is psycho-sexual, say like 91/2 Weeks, or Fatal Attraction, or that film with Sharon Stone, you can probably get funded as a narrative, but these films have story lines, not just "Hey, anybody order a pizza?" If the sex is all you have to offer, good luck...

...also, be very careful of applying for funding and then thinking you are going to switch sides and do something else. Sure, the money is a grant and you don't have to pay it back per se, but an organization like the NEA or any other large funder will have absolutely no problem pulling their funding and making you pay back whatever you have spent on the production to that point if they don't agree. Mapplethorpe did that for us, thus making it harder to get funding, but at the same time there is a level of quality that they can adhere to which isn't such a bad thing.

...I would think that if you want to find funding for pornography, you need to probably find out who it is that produces this kind of film...(geez, what am I saying??? ARE YOU OVER 21??!!???) Once you do, you will probably be met with the same kind of questions that you would be for any other funder. Why should they take a chance on you? And like any other filmmaker, you are going to have to..., to uh...prove that you are worth taking a chance on...(this is one of the weirdest posts I have ever made....)

(....personally, I think porn is kind of silly unless you are watching it with your significant other or girlfriend or what have you....that's an awful lot of build up to your turning the tv off :rolleyes: ....)

...btw, Hi, guys, I'm back from my shoot....

--spinner:cool:

I will def look into private investors but are there any "no questions asked until you miss a payment" kinda deals at any banks.

You'd probably be better off borrowing money from the Mafia if you don't want any questions asked...

...okay, rbp2005... ARE YOU OVER 21??!!???....

--spinner:cool:


Spinner, I think you hit it on the head there. After reading the responses and questions from this guy I have come to the conclusion that they just turned 18 and were finally able to go into the adult stores and buy/rent porno's. Then they see how easy it is and how much money they can sell them for, that they decided to do it, make a porno. But since they didn't have any money, they want to go to a bank and get a "no questions asked, until I miss a payment" type loan.

It's re-dick-less!

This thread should be put to rest so this teenager can go to something like pornotalk.com instead of indietalk.com. because an indie porno is still a porno and should seek funding, learn about the business, and learn about shooting asses from the porno site, not here.:no:

Have fun. I wish you the best.

how much is that you need and whats the ROI?