Hi to everyone.
I am planning to make a thriller in 35mm.
I am confused wheather I shoot it on 16mm and blow it to 35mm
or shoot it directly on 35mm.Budget is very small. So what should i do?

How much would the blowup to 35mm be, from 16mm?

I've no idea... but if it was more than the cost saved by choosing 16 over 35, it would be a deciding factor.

:)

You might want to have a look at super 16. Basically it's single-perforated 16mm film, which is slightly better than standard 16mm (double-perforated) because it records onto the extra space on the other side that isn't perforated. I guess s16 would be easier to blow up to 35mm but I don't know a whole lot about film so i'll leave it to the experts to explain:)

Leaving Las Vegas was shot on super16, it was the indie feature format of choice, pre HD, because you could get cinema quality movies from it.

S16 blowups generally cost around $30k. you can save ALOT when considering the price of 35mm,, especially if you are shooting high ratios. It is better for blowup to 35mm because it has 33% more picture because of the widened canvas. It is 16x9 format natively, and is blown up to 35mm quite effortlessly by many major labs.

You should, however, consider using slower speed stocks. Try to shoot with more lights, or live with shallower depth of field.

Super 16 isn't 16x9, it's 1.66:1.

http://www.lemac.com.au/tech/TUTS/S16PATH.html
"Aaton SUPER 16x9 film cameras offer superior imaging quality over other 16mm cameras "

Super 16 full frame is 1:1.66, but Aaton makes the ground glasses in 1:1.85 as that is the standard for 35mm blow ups Chasing Amy, Leaving Las Vegas, etc., as well as television shows shot in S16 such as Babylon 5, Homicide, Outer Limits, etc. in 16x9. this format is called Super16x9.

Super 35 is cropped as well-- the full frame is cropped to 2:2.35 (2.40) for theatrical release and some commercials and DVDs, etc..

Some say cropping is what makes them "Super" :)

EDIT; punctuation

Yes, I know, but you said it was 16x9 native. It's 1:66.1 native, and yes you can use any ground glass you like. I used a 1.78:1 on my last short. ;)

By native I meant without anamorphic lenses/adaptors. Basically they just clip the boom microphone out of the top of the frame. :)

Many rental houses simply call it Super 16x9. I've read that the whole 16x9 video format came from Super 16x9 as this format has been used to shoot features, tv shows, and music videos for many years before that ratio came to the video world.

Where did you find ground glass for 1:1.78 ??

1.78:1 is 16x9.

I know, where did you find it ? What kind of camera ?

Arriflex SRII. It's not an uncommon ground glass. Arriflex offers:

a) 1.77:1 (16x9).

b) combo: 1.66/1.78/1.85/TV Combo: Outer outline: Super-16 projector aperture 1.66:1 (12.40 x 7.50mm). Inner outline: 1.85:1 (11.71 x 6.30mm), 1.78:1 (11.20 x 6.30mm), TV-1.33 (8.40 x 6.30mm)

c) combo: 1.66:1/HDTV/TV Combo: Outer outline: 1.66:1 (12.35 x 7.50mm) 1.77:1 HDTV 16:9 (Corner marks 11.94 x 6.75mm) Inner outline TV-1.33 (8.40 x 6.30mm)

I used one of those 3, don't remember, I wasn't the DP.

Let's move the discussion back to the original discussion, don't want to hijack this thread.

Nice. Melikes Arri's. :)

The Philips Datacine can scan S16 just the same as 35mm and a DI out to 35mm would cost only a bit more than a traditional blowup. With DI, degrain and other changes are possible, if needed.