HD hard drive recording?

I was just reading a review of the Canon XLH 1 in which it comments on the camera's ability to record uncompressed HD on to a hard drive (rather than HDV on to a tape).

What kind of hard drives are they talking about, obviously something fast. Are they a specialist item?

Ignorant as ever,
Steven
 
Not sure if this works with the Canon, but this puppy was made to work the the Panisonic HVX200 DVCPRO HD. Not uncompressed HD but way better then HDV.
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To record uncompressed HD you will need a capture card (very expensive) and a raid array. Not an inexpensive proposition and not something you can take 'on the move'. That said, if you have the means - uncompressed HD would kick arse. :)
 
Also, if you have an input card and a 10K RPM (either SATA/300 or U320 SCSI) hard drive in your computer, it will save to this in real time.

7200k RPM hard drives are perfect for SD video, HD is another story... It's not impossible, but you'll be taxing the drive to death.
 
Am I the only one who isn't ready to trust their footage to cards and drives quite yet? All I think about is how many times I've had drives go out, or flash drives suddenly corrupt. There's just something nice about having that little tape in your hand...
 
HomerS3 said:
Am I the only one who isn't ready to trust their footage to cards and drives quite yet? All I think about is how many times I've had drives go out, or flash drives suddenly corrupt. There's just something nice about having that little tape in your hand...
I understand what you're saying. With tape, I get the warm-fuzzies too. But the trends are showing that memory-card and hard-drive solutions will become the standard for prosumer and professional cameras very soon. There's no way around it.

Unless someone creates a new prosumer HD tape, we'll all be saving everything digitally.

I welcome our new digital overlords.
 
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I've always liked new gadgets. I embrace change. Not sure how the market is for those pricey drives but my budget won't allow me to leave tape any time soon.

Come on lotto ticket, come on.
 
Loud Orange Cat said:
I welcome our new digital overlords.
I'll be the one hiding in my basement with a shotgun I suppose!
I guess it's the trends I have observed over the years that show that these things will get much cheaper and much better in the next couple of years... it'll probably take me that long to warm up to the idea anyway
 
Looking at the prices, I think I'll be on tape for a bit too. Wait five years and these things will cost a fraction of the cost and work better. And probably come free on your Mac.

How bad is HDV compared the HD?

I don't think it will effect my current project, as I'll be muting the whole colour texture of the footage anyway.

Steven
 
Posted this in the thread on the new canon cameras...some folks on a different board were talking about using two developer utils from apple to capture their HD from their XLH1's...Virtual DVHS from the firewire SDK will turn a computer into a recording deck and a transcoder (also in the FW SDK) to turn the m2t's into DVCProHD files.
 
Posted this in the thread on the new canon cameras...some folks on a different board were talking about using two developer utils from apple to capture their HD from their XLH1's...Virtual DVHS from the firewire SDK will turn a computer into a recording deck and a transcoder (also in the FW SDK) to turn the m2t's into DVCProHD files.

Unpack that for me in language an idiot can understand (Me being the idiot)
 
http://developer.apple.com/sdk/ is the sdk (software developer kit) page...first link is currently the firewire sdk. You'll need xcode 2.3 to build the app.

There are two utils in there, one is a DV Deck application that will allow you to record (it's provided as a sample application)...the other will allow you to change formats...basically an export.
 
Ah, now I understand -- you meant, this is something that developers could compile using those tools.

I'll just go over into the corner and colour some stuff in, and let you guys have a grown conversation about this, because I've accidently stepped into a conversation about forty feet over my technical comprehension threshold.
 
Does this mean that Apple will be releasing this in the future? And that, in this future, we will be able to record HD direct to our Apple computers?

Or have I completely got the wrong end of the stick, again?

Steven
 
I think their intention with this is just to give sample code to folks who will be developing software using these SDKs...The benefit to us is the software is free...the drawback, you have to compile yourself (which I've done). I have to test it to see if this will capture from my XL1s to DVCPro50 directly (or HD for that matter). If so, we have a better way to get uncompressed footage out of our cams.
 
Have I got this right?

What you are saying is that you could firewire link something like a VX1000 to a mac laptop and through it record DVCPro50 quality footage direct onto a hard drive?

Or am I being just very, very naive about camera hardware factors -- like the chips for instance.
 
that is what I understand from what I've read...I'll be trying it tonight :) I'll also capture the same stuff to tape and see if there's a noticable difference...then I'll post :)
 
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